TROS 8: Bad Boys for Life (Minutes 36-40 with Patrick Cotnoir)

In minutes 36-40 of The Rise of Skywalker, Rey heals the vexis, the Knights of Ren arrive on Pasaana, Rey confronts Kylo Ren in the desert, and Chewie is captured. Today, Patrick Cotnoir (The George Lucas Talk Show, The Naboo Movie, The Great Kamino Kaper) joins me to discuss over-the-top evil music, the sound design of Kylo/Rey's desert showdown, and an ominous M7 interval.

Clarification: The "Speeder Chase" track that we talk about toward the end of this episode pertains to a scene from earlier in the movie (check out previous episode, TROS 6: Speeder Chase Shenanigans with Conor Power, for more detail about that). 

Timestamps:

• 0:00 - Hello there!
• 3:08 - Rey heals the serpent, Force theme, cool sound design.
• 5:06 - Favorite Star Wars noises.
• 13:11 - Sound conveying scale.
• 16:15 - Over-the-top evil music for the Knights of Ren (funny).
• 21:29 - Patrick's Boolio story.
• 24:13 - Ominous descending major 7th interval. (Everything is not okay!) (Foreshadowing?)
• 31:30 - March of the Resistance in Ochi's ship. Insistent repeated figure (Viennese trichord).
• 38:42 - Patrick swears he hears Darth Vader breathing here.
• 41:33 - Crafting the sound world for the Kylo/Rey confrontation in the desert.
• 45:49 - Psalm of the Sith (Anthem of Evil)
• 51:33 - Kylo's TIE whisper getting closer. How are the strings making that noise?
• 54:26 - Sound design for the part where Rey flips and slices Kylo's wing in slo-mo.
• 55:55 - Music for the speeder chase (in minutes 26-30) was cut.
• 59:49 - The musicality of Kylo's ship spinning out of control.
• 1:02:57 - Return of the ominous M7 interval from before. Chewie is captured.
• 1:05:34 - Playing a bit of the "Speeder Chase" track that didn't make it in the film. To clarify, this track was supposed to be in an earlier part of the film ("they fly now?")--not these minutes.
• 1:11:51 - SWMM Questionnaire

Things to Check Out:

• Complete Catalogue of the Musical Themes of Star Wars (by Frank Lehman): https://franklehman.com/starwars/

Musical Themes:

• 3. Force
• 61b. Knights of Ren (Slow Form)
• 52a. Tension (Basic Motif)
• 47a. March of the Resistance (A Section)
• 59a. Psalm of the Sith (A Section)

Where are we in the soundtrack?:

• FYC 4. "In the Desert"

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STAR WARS MUSIC MINUTE QUESTIONNAIRE:

1. In exactly 3 words, what does Star Wars sound like?

• Loud, proud, in-charge.

2. What's something related to Star Wars music or sound that you want to learn more about?

• What sounds were combined in order to make various noises in Star Wars.

3. What's a score or soundtrack you're fond of besides anything Star Wars?

• 10 Cloverfield Lane (composed by Bear McCreary)

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Guest: Patrick Cotnoir

• The George Lucas Talk Show: https://www.youtube.com/@TheGeorgeLucasTalkShow
• I'm 'George Lucas': A Connor Ratliff Story (documentary) - https://imgeorgelucas.com/
• THE NABOO MOVIE: A 25th Anniversary All Star Live Reading of Star Wars Ep 1: The Phantom Menace - https://naboomovie.com
• THE GREAT KAMINO KAPER: A Live Reading of Attack of the Clones - https://kaminokaper.com
• Website: https://www.patrickcotnoir.com/
• Twitter: https://x.com/patrickcotnoir
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cotnoir/

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