Society & Culture
Disabled Lives Matter
Season 1, Episode 35
Co-Hosts: Nadine Vogel & Norma Stanley
Guest: Kyle Maynard
Intro: [Music playing in background] Disabled Lives Matter... here we go!
Voiceover: Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the disabled lives matter podcast with co-hosts Nadine Vogel and Norma Stanley… yay!
Nadine Vogel: Hello Hello everybody, this is nadine vogel your co host of the podcast disabled lives matter, and I am joined by my fabulous co host norma Stanley.
NORMA STANLEY: Hello everyone.
Nadine Vogel: And as norma and I always say this is much more than a podcast, this is a movement and y'all need to join this movement now.
NORMA STANLEY: Absolutely.
Nadine Vogel: Right. Well, this is going to be a really exciting episode, because we are joined by Kyle Maynard.
Nadine Vogel: kyle is well he's a lot of things he's an entrepreneur speaker best selling author he's an award winning extreme athlete because being a general it is not enough.
Nadine Vogel: And the first man to bear crawl to the top of the highest mountain in Africa mount kilimanjaro and a summit of argentina's Mount. Aconcagua, if I said that right.
Nadine Vogel: Aconcagua, if I said that right, which I think is the highest peak in both hemispheres so i'm just going to start with this um first of all Kyle I don't know how many people you really are because I don't know one person that can actually do all those things.
Nadine Vogel: [Laughter.]
Kyle Maynard: [Laughter.]
Kyle Maynard: There may be a few doppelgangers out there.
Kyle Maynard: Yeah. If I do anything too bad, then I can blame it on them.
Nadine Vogel: Oh, my gosh um so first of all talk about what is bear crawl.
Kyle Maynard: Bear crawling is basically the way that I walk.
Kyle Maynard: So I know we're recording video, but basically to give your listeners like a perspective i'd.
Kyle Maynard: I walk from like from my elbows and knees.
Kyle Maynard: And so.
Kyle Maynard: A lot of people I know with like you know in chairs and stuff like that, like you know the transfer out.
Kyle Maynard: You know, get on to a different things to climb up on different stuff for me I don't really use a chair in my house at all, so when I walk up just walking on my elbows and knees.
Nadine Vogel: Okay, so that's what that is so now, if I understood correctly, I think that you had you were born with this condition, but in your entire life you've never used any kind of prosthetics.
Kyle Maynard: I used to when I was younger.
Nadine Vogel: Okay.
Kyle Maynard: Basically um.
Kyle Maynard: I use them to help with like.
Kyle Maynard: Certain things like reaching certain things.
Nadine Vogel: Okay.
Kyle Maynard: And I still sometimes will use similar things like stools are cherries, are that kind of stuff you can jump up on countertops but the prosthetics I would use this like hooks to grab on the stuff.
Nadine Vogel: got it got it, so I am really, really height impaired just so you know, and so let me just tell you anything I can take I will take like hangers.
Nadine Vogel: And hooks and everything's just to reach things because I can't reach anything which is in no way anything like living with a disability.
Nadine Vogel: But just from a height perspective and trying to get to things I tell people all the time, like you know what do you think is typical height, because to me it always seems like it should be the jolly jolly green giant the way everybody uses things to reach you know.
Nadine Vogel: So you know you've been very focused on on living independently from the very beginning, so how does someone with with disabilities, such as the ones you have.
Nadine Vogel: Go to become like a championship wrestling I think you're a crossfit certified instructor I can't imagine doing crossfit on my best physical day.
Nadine Vogel: So, how did you get from one place to the other like what what took you there.
Kyle Maynard: Basically, it was I first fell in love with it, I found there's a video online it's a it's kind of obscure name but it's called the nasty girls.
Kyle Maynard: Okay, so there were these then it's a workout for their these three these three girls that were like Eva T was one, there was a girl named Nicole.
Kyle Maynard: Can't remember Nicole's last name.
Kyle Maynard: and annie sakamoto I think was the other.
Kyle Maynard: So I watched that video and I just fell in love with it, and I was like man, this is this awesome the sport everything about it like it was very similar to like this kind of like philosophy that I had you know, training, the wrestling stuff like that.
Nadine Vogel: growing up.
Kyle Maynard: So it was on it was yeah it was just a that's kind of where I fell in love with it, and I remember one of the girls.
Kyle Maynard: At the end of.
Kyle Maynard: The first workout.
Kyle Maynard: She cried.
Kyle Maynard: And I was like whoa you know that's that's insane that's like that level of intensity would bring somebody to that position.
Nadine Vogel: Right right, it is intense and you said you you started this very young so i'm curious from a parent perspective, how they reacted to you doing this with they nervous for you, I mean.
Nadine Vogel: I I have an adult daughter, with significant physical disabilities and I, you know would always anytime she wants to do something that I thought was a little too physical I would get so nervous.
Kyle Maynard: yeah.
Nadine Vogel: You know how did your parents react.
Kyle Maynard: I could always kind of um.
Kyle Maynard: accepted the fact that, like some of the things I wanted to do, maybe they weren't their favorite things.
Kyle Maynard: You know, stepping in a cage at MMA I think that was probably the most extreme.
Kyle Maynard: it's definitely something that was totally totally different than.
Kyle Maynard: Yes, i'd done before.
Nadine Vogel: yeah that would scare the bejesus out of me.
Nadine Vogel: So you have written a book, if I recall correctly called No Excuses, and I believe it's a New York Times bestseller um when you say no excuses talk to us what's behind that.
Kyle Maynard: Basically it's it's like the philosophy of it is, is that there's always like an excuse or reason to not do something.
Nadine Vogel: mm hmm.
Kyle Maynard: Right and there's always going to be a you know a thing that keeps us from our potential in life, and that that you know, identifying what those things are is that the first step to be able to do something about it.
Kyle Maynard: It was something that my wrestling coach came up with I didn't get the credit for it, he said he would say you know, during practices basically.
Kyle Maynard: You know kids would come up to me, complain like on my wrist hurts my leg hurts, and all that he'd say like oh kyle probably wishes that he had wrist or a leg to hurt. and.
Nadine Vogel: Right. So i'm curious you know this this story this book on and in this focus of you know no excuses you're a public speaker.
Nadine Vogel: On you speak to audiences of students of executives of other athletes, so when you when you speak to them about this and coming from the perspective of someone with a disability, how do you find the audiences react and respond to it are they different from one another, for some reason.
Kyle Maynard: yeah it's um it's kind of a wide range of different groups over the years it's been like you know that's kind of the cool thing about it so i've gotten perspective from like elementary school classrooms all the way up to fortune 500 companies, you know.
Kyle Maynard: Military special operations groups, you know wrestling teams to like NC double-A gymnastics events all kinds of stuff you know and where we met with the runway dreams right like it's a totally different thing in terms of like a fashion related.
Kyle Maynard: bank so it's it's been pretty cool that the the message itself is a seeming way sort of fairly universal one um.
Kyle Maynard: And so you know it sort of blends and lends itself to being adaptable in different groups.
Nadine Vogel: Right, right. Well you know it's just interesting because um.
Nadine Vogel: I think that people pick up on things differently right depending what their own experiences are, and so you know, we know that and we've experienced here that you know children.
Nadine Vogel: especially younger children they fear disability because it's not known to them that they don't know what to expect, and so I just wonder what they take away from that presentation from hearing you then you know someone who's 50 years old, live their life and said yeah I get it.
Kyle Maynard: yeah there's I mean definitely different different people say different things.
Kyle Maynard: I remember one one kid that stands out there was a speech in like a small mining town in West Virginia and he said afterwards, you were like talking about their dreams like what do you want to do when you grow up and said, I want to work at mcdonald's.
Kyle Maynard: And I was like.
Kyle Maynard: that's awesome wasn't what I was expecting but. You know.
Nadine Vogel: it's yeah it's interesting perspective is everything right.
Nadine Vogel: And I know, one of the groups that that you also speak with quite often, and not just speak with but you've committed time and resources to is working with wounded and recovering veterans so, can you tell us a little bit about that.
Kyle Maynard: Sure um yeah so it's been a dream of mine to you know, since I was a kid I dreamed about serving in the military that the.
Kyle Maynard: You know, for me, like the.
Kyle Maynard: The cards that I was still you know it's something that was going to be possible, so it's something that you know it's just.
Kyle Maynard: I think those those dreams have kind of changed and evolved over time and I realized that I could go and contribute in a different sort of way right.
Kyle Maynard: And I think that that sort of you know it's a similar thing that a lot of the troops have to deal with when they come back home with an injury right it's like how do they go and continue to.
Kyle Maynard: provide meaningful value and service in a way that you know after they've endured some sort of injury yeah.
Nadine Vogel: Right. And I would think that you uniquely can help them from the standpoint of you live with this your whole life right they said they've suddenly been thrown into it.
Kyle Maynard: it's a.
Kyle Maynard: it's it's a different thing, though, to I mean, given the fact that, like I have grown up.
Kyle Maynard: With it, you know they haven't.
Nadine Vogel: Right.
Kyle Maynard: So you.
Kyle Maynard: Should have seen that in the world that have disability, a lot we have different people that you know adapted to different things at different times you know, sometimes like there's injuries and you know just different life things that happen and occur.
Kyle Maynard: Even even with covid you know it's i've got a friend last night that I was texting with that literally she was saying that like she's she's having a super hard time with the like with.
Kyle Maynard: Depression and like like mental health stuff as a consequence of covid I was like wow I never really thought that that was, you know that that was a thing right like it's not something that gets covered all the time.
NORMA STANLEY: Right yeah.
Nadine Vogel: we've been on it springboard I would say, probably more than any other topic that we've had for request for in the last year and a half to do, training and resilience programming is around anxiety and depression related to covid.
Kyle Maynard: Really.
Nadine Vogel: Yeah.
Kyle Maynard: Wow is it in terms of people that have had the virus, or is it people that were like dealing with the lockdown.
Nadine Vogel: Everything
Kyle Maynard: Or both.
Nadine Vogel: Yeah so we have folks you know that that had been dealing with working from home and really feel like they need to be in an environment with other people.
Nadine Vogel: Then you have folks are working like in a distribution Center have to be with other people that really feel like they want to be.
Nadine Vogel: You know, working at home, we have folks who have children with disabilities at home that when they couldn't go to school, the parents were really struggling with how to help them and not have them regressed either physically or.
Nadine Vogel: academically right whatever whatever the issues were on, we also have issues of just people now it's there's so much uncertainty.
Nadine Vogel: You know my employer said we're going to go back to work in October well here's October, now they said, well, maybe January will make like.
Nadine Vogel: People are just struggling in different ways, and I I you know, I wonder how and maybe you can share with our audience are there other pieces in that in your no excuses book.
Nadine Vogel: That could apply to this, and maybe you could help them kind of get out of some of the way they're feeling because mental health is thoughts and feelings right it's a disability, that we don't see.
Kyle Maynard: it's actually it's been so long since I.
Kyle Maynard: Since I wrote the book.
Nadine Vogel: That's your homework, you need to go back.
Kyle Maynard: You mean, go back and read the book.
Nadine Vogel: [Laughter.] And they come back and talk about it um you know, I think, even for folks listening, I mean norma you, you and I were talking about this, I was telling her you that you do Brazilian Jiu jitsu.
Nadine Vogel: So why don't you just first tell our audience what that is and how it's different than other jujitsu because.
Nadine Vogel: I read a little bit about it, and my mind was like blown.
Kyle Maynard: yeah it's a.
Kyle Maynard: So basically.
Kyle Maynard: The short story with that is is that it's like.
Kyle Maynard: Three dimensional wrestling.
NORMA STANLEY: wow.
Kyle Maynard: So it's in the wrestling wrestling take a very two dimensional kind of like impact kind of like force on force on that thing and jujitsu I think is just adds a new dimension to it.
Kyle Maynard: Because in wrestling you can't be pinned right are you The goal is to not be pinned in jujitsu it opens up the dimension and allows you to get to learn to fight from the back.
Kyle Maynard: So it's.
Kyle Maynard: It that just yet kind of adds like a different layer of have a whole new world and it opens up with that and it's not necessarily that one is like you know superior or.
Kyle Maynard: or not it's.
Kyle Maynard: I mean, there is an objective aspect to that, I think.
Kyle Maynard: If I were to choose kind of an equally matched.
Kyle Maynard: Jiu jitsu.
Kyle Maynard: fighter compared to a wrestler I would say, probably I put my money on the jujitsu person nine outta 10 times.
Kyle Maynard: I mean it's depends I mean if it's if it's actually maybe maybe less maybe less than that maybe.
Kyle Maynard: somewhere between six and eight is it's.
Kyle Maynard: yeah it's actually in wrestling it teaches you how to like control the space much more effectively right, so you can.
Kyle Maynard: You can force take Downs and things like that, and if you're in a in a fight, you know, in a street fight kind of situation self Defense situation, then you don't want to end up on your back.
Kyle Maynard: But in jujitsu too at the same time, if it's a one verse one like even fight where there aren't other people that are involved in it, and I think that, like.
Kyle Maynard: jujitsu probably superior because it allows you to be able to go and do things with wrestling while right wrestling tells you don't break this person's arm don't choke the person.
Kyle Maynard: Don't you know don't go to your back and get pinned in jujitsu that's the goal.
Kyle Maynard: Right is not necessarily it's.
Kyle Maynard: it's yeah to do all the things that wrestling tells you not to do.
Kyle Maynard: So when you first go into wrestling from Jiu jitsu than it like you, basically, are taught all these like super bad habits.
Nadine Vogel: Right right, you have to unlearn things.
Kyle Maynard: Exactly.
Nadine Vogel: Wow. That's kind of interesting. So we have to break for commercial, but when we come back Kyle because you.
Nadine Vogel: professionally speak all over the world, you know you're always traveling so i'd like to talk about how one covid has kind of had an impact on that, but then two just about you know accessible travel.
Nadine Vogel: And what that looks like, and you know if you have thoughts for the travel industry we'd love to hear some of that.
Nadine Vogel: So let's just go to commercial break, and this is Nadine Vogel with Norma Stanley our guest Kyle Maynard and we'll back in just a minute don't go anywhere.
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Voiceover: And now back to our show.
Nadine Vogel: So kyle I am so excited to be talking to you today Norma and I have had many conversations about travel and accessible travel as folks know she has an adult daughter Sierra he's a wheelchair and.
Nadine Vogel: I mean you travel all over the world, well, I mean I don't know about with covid I guess know we should start there I don't know what your travel schedule.
Nadine Vogel: has been like covid and how its impacted maybe we'll start with that, but now what i'd love to understand is your perspective.
Nadine Vogel: On traveling with a disability, and you know, helping the industry understand that disability doesn't just mean someone's coming here in a wheelchair.
Nadine Vogel: Right and how we how we address that.
Nadine Vogel: So it's all yours.
Kyle Maynard: So.
Kyle Maynard: I think I have a unique perspective of being able to travel, I mean there's there's definitely some difficulties but um you know it's by and large I use a like a push wheelchair, as opposed to a.
Kyle Maynard: Okay yeah.
Norma Stanley: Motorized.
Kyle Maynard: Like dead motorized heavy powered wheelchairs.
Nadine Vogel: Right.
Kyle Maynard: it's um.
Kyle Maynard: My first trip that I ever took on my own I used a heavy motorized wheelchair, and so it was a landed in Las Vegas and have added you know, a 250 pound chair.
Kyle Maynard: And I had to figure out how to get from the hotel to from the airport to the hotel and.
Kyle Maynard: ended up booking a ticket on a on a bus that was like a special there's like a tour bus Basically, this is only thing that had a lift.
Kyle Maynard: To find like a cab you know I think now and Vegas they have a bunch of the caps that have ramps and such a time that you know wasn't the case, and so it was super just difficult thing to you know to deal with.
Kyle Maynard: And then, basically, you know I realized at that point that I wanted to go and travel with the with the.
Kyle Maynard: The Non mechanical chair, with the most share and it helped things a lot um.
Kyle Maynard: So.
Kyle Maynard: yeah that's basically you know, one of my main reasons for for doing that I know you know it's just not easy to get around when you're when you're dealing with that 300 plus pound chair.
NORMA STANLEY: Yeah. I'm always dealing with that.
NORMA STANLEY: Because of my daughter I sustained you know nerve damage in my arm, as a result of putting my daughter in and out of her wheelchair.
NORMA STANLEY: In the car, you know, putting it in the car every day for the last 30 years, and so you know, I was moving towards the motorized chair probably so I wouldn't have to do as much of that every day, but you know when I travel, I actually prefer to the push chairs.
NORMA STANLEY: And i've heard that.
NORMA STANLEY: the motorized chairs, they damage them when they travel with them.
NORMA STANLEY: And also, you know they're highly expensive, so I you know I probably will be using a pushchair as a as a backup when we do both go out of town.
NORMA STANLEY: You know, just to be on the safe side because I mean those things are you know aren not just simple to come by as some people think.
Kyle Maynard: Totally yeah and it's also you know you feel for the perspective of the airlines to right like it's you know the planes have a certain amount of weight that they can go and carry and then you know you add another.
Kyle Maynard: You know 300 plus pound chair to the to the mix and it's you know.
NORMA STANLEY: yeah that's a whole nother situation that's true.
Nadine Vogel: It but in terms of travel Kyle, what have you found um you know traveling in the US versus traveling in other countries.
Nadine Vogel: Because obviously you've traveled all around the world, what kind of perspective can you share as someone.
Nadine Vogel: Who has a disability, who is who is able to get around every place but you know what what kinds of issues have you faced or have you had to overcome, so to speak, because of your disability.
Kyle Maynard: yeah it's it's it's super.
Kyle Maynard: You something we take for granted, I think, being in the US, you know it's a relatively younger country as opposed to like being in Europe, for instance.
Kyle Maynard: More and a lot of like developing areas of the world.
Kyle Maynard: I think that they have similar challenges for different reasons, so in in Europe, you got massive cobblestones yeah.
Kyle Maynard: Just like that, and its historic buildings right that are these ancient buildings that they.
Kyle Maynard: Say it's really tough to to get around.
Kyle Maynard: And then.
Kyle Maynard: In.
Kyle Maynard: In other developing areas of the world like Bali is one of my favorite places.
Norma Stanley: I always wanted to go there.
Kyle Maynard: Ah it's amazing.
Kyle Maynard: This is really special place but it's really hard to get around even for me to get around there was like was really difficult.
Nadine Vogel: Really.
Kyle Maynard: Yeah it was.
Kyle Maynard: yeah super challenging.
Nadine Vogel: How do you find the perspective of the people in the different countries, so you know one part of accessibility is that is a physical accessibility, but then we have you know all the other components about how people communicate how they willing to how comfortable, they are engaging.
Nadine Vogel: You know what have you found there.
Kyle Maynard: um let's say it's.
Kyle Maynard: A pretty universally seems as though it's kind of like one of the biggest perks of being born with a disability is.
Kyle Maynard: it's a.
Kyle Maynard: bit kind of you know, I think it helps people make you, you know helps people be more compassionate and understanding, I think.
Kyle Maynard: If. That makes sense yeah.
Kyle Maynard: At least that what i've experienced.
Kyle Maynard: um it's definitely not always the case.
Kyle Maynard: yeah I would say.
Kyle Maynard: That it's basically that's a.
Kyle Maynard: People are for the most part they're pretty understanding.
Kyle Maynard: other places where people like Americans traditionally like don't really have you know that people aren't that Nice to him, like in in France France that's right it's like traveling through France people were awesome and super nice to me.
Nadine Vogel: Okay.
Kyle Maynard: In um
Kyle Maynard: You know from other Americans that i've heard say that that's definitely not the case.
Nadine Vogel: yeah like. How did I not have.
Nadine Vogel: That experience.
Kyle Maynard: Exactly.
Nadine Vogel: So I know we only have like a couple minutes left, but one of the things that I know has been really, really important to you is nutrition and health.
Nadine Vogel: I mean, obviously, from all the sports side of everything you do, but even just you know what you put in your body things like that um I think I think it's something that can help everyone so, can you can you share a little bit about that.
Kyle Maynard: yeah um you know.
Kyle Maynard: Probably in the state right now relearning a lot of that stuff.
Kyle Maynard: Okay it's not something i've spoken about publicly yet, but I actually just as up like two days ago.
Kyle Maynard: got diagnosed with a brain injury.
Nadine Vogel: Oh no. I'm so sorry.
Kyle Maynard: I'm hesitating.
Kyle Maynard: Even saying that publicly but it's something that's like a totally new disability aspect of things that i've never you know I had to deal with so basically.
Kyle Maynard: I was told that I have currently a dime sized hole in my brain from like potentially from like taking a knee in jiu jitsu, but not entirely sure what.
Kyle Maynard: it's been that way for a while it's kind of been battling just depression, anxiety other things like that sleep issues stuff that I hadn't had to deal with before.
Kyle Maynard: So it's um.
Kyle Maynard: You know i'm in the process of kind of re learning a lot of.
Kyle Maynard: You know just life stuff.
Nadine Vogel: Sure. Sure.
Nadine Vogel: Understandably so, so I think my my last question for you and I think it it kind of brings all of it together.
Nadine Vogel: What is it that drives you I mean you are so unbelievably driven right beyond no excuses it's like God forget the excuses that's all right.
Nadine Vogel: What what is, what is your mindset like, how do you do that.
Kyle Maynard: Uh. Do what.
Nadine Vogel: Just be so driven right, no matter what you're told what your slot with what happens is like yeah okay fine move on we're going to get past it we're going to you know one plus one is going to be three.
Nadine Vogel: we're going to just make this the best way to make it, how do you I know our listeners, you know, want to hear that they want to hear.
Nadine Vogel: My gosh I complain about my daily thing, and I have just this but look at everything kyle you know, has had to deal with is dealing with yet he is just fighting fighting pushing pushing moving it's a mindset issue, but I think our listeners would love to know how you get that mindset.
Kyle Maynard: The first thing I would say is I don't have that mindset daily it's something that like have to continually battle and. You know.
Nadine Vogel: Okay.
Kyle Maynard: um and I think it's especially been difficult lately.
Kyle Maynard: Um. And that's Okay, you know it's a.
Kyle Maynard: it's it's not a it's not a one size fits all approach with things right, but I think faith is a big aspect of it.
Kyle Maynard: spirituality.
Kyle Maynard: Just constantly learning psychology philosophy as much as I can you know take in different different perspectives and different things, exposing myself and being around people that inspire me.
Kyle Maynard: I think is is really is pretty pretty key um you know, I think.
Kyle Maynard: Our mental.
Kyle Maynard: Mental diet, so to speak, is a big aspect of what.
Kyle Maynard: Like.
Kyle Maynard: Fuels us.
Kyle Maynard: Yes, it's sort of do we have our physical things so you're asking about like you know, nutrition and that kind of stuff right.
Kyle Maynard: I think that's it's also like the diet perspective is coming from like what in who were taking it in interacting with and what we're allowing ourselves to be influenced by.
Nadine Vogel: Right.
NORMA STANLEY: environment.
Kyle Maynard: yeah like environmental factors may be that we wouldn't like morally consider as environmental factors that are probably some of the most environmental factors right like they think it was um.
Kyle Maynard: Was it Stephen covey who is on.
Kyle Maynard: No. Dale carnegie's another when it comes alive it wasn't him there is that it was Tony robbins mentor he said i'm actually just.
Norma Stanley: Jim Rohn
Kyle Maynard: Jim Rohn. that's it.
Nadine Vogel: I know i'm like okay i'm running your name in my head.
Nadine Vogel: You win the prizes norma.
Kyle Maynard: He he said.
Kyle Maynard: You know you're most influenced by the five people you spend the most time with.
NORMA STANLEY: yeah yeah.
Nadine Vogel: That is for sure.
Kyle Maynard: And so I think lately i've tried to like have a bit more of like a group let's kind of like elimination of the like the things that are are the people that I want to spend time with.
NORMA STANLEY: Amen. I'm in the same space, I hear you.
Kyle Maynard: Yup.
Nadine Vogel: You know it's it's important it's um I think sometimes we don't realize how toxic people are environments can be.
Nadine Vogel: But we get in a rut right we just get you know used to it here's what we do every day here, so we talked to every day we don't we don't realize the impact, so I think in closing kyle if you can think of one thing one situation, one person that just really motivates you.
Nadine Vogel: What would the be or who would that be.
Kyle Maynard: Lately it's been my family for sure.
Kyle Maynard: which you know is i've gotten into it a lot with them actually move back to Georgia, where I grew up pre covid. And um.
Kyle Maynard: So we spend a lot of time together.
Kyle Maynard: And i've gotten in, and you know gotten into it with them, just like.
Kyle Maynard: A lot.
Kyle Maynard: But at the same time, I really appreciate the lessons that they taught me.
Kyle Maynard: And the life and that just you know.
Kyle Maynard: kind of like we were talking about just you know being fortunate in fact of like where we're born right like you know living in America living in a place that has like accessibility has you know other resources that other places on the rest of the world don't.
Nadine Vogel: Right.
Kyle Maynard: You know it's a really.
Kyle Maynard: Special.
Kyle Maynard: Special thing and it's the I think that, like i'm very fortunate and blessed in the family that I was born into as well, even though you know, sometimes we all get into it with with each other right.
Nadine Vogel: Nah.
Kyle Maynard: yeah that's a.
Nadine Vogel: Really.
Nadine Vogel: Well, I think that's that's important, and I know you know norma and for Norma and myself, we want to thank your family for giving you to us.
Kyle Maynard: Awe. Thank you.
Nadine Vogel: You know even with all of the.
Nadine Vogel: You know inspiration you look to others, for you inspire so many and and and not and not because you have a disability, but but I mean just all of the things that you do.
Nadine Vogel: That you think you 99% of the population, they have no disabilities couldn't do it.
Norma Stanley: That's right.
Nadine Vogel. Right. And I think that's why we started this this podcast because.
Nadine Vogel: Disability does matter, and I think you're a perfect example of it and we just want to thank you and your family for letting us talk with you and talk about that.
Kyle Maynard: Absolutely.
Nadine Vogel: Actually have that real conversation so.
Nadine Vogel: I just want to say thank you and wish you the best, especially with this new the latest news you've had health news so good luck with that.
Nadine Vogel: And anytime you want to come back on the show you just let us know, but this is another episode, we are closing out of disabled lives matter, not just the podcast what is it norma.
NORMA STANLEY: It is a movement. Join us.
Nadine Vogel: It is a movement babe.
Nadine Vogel. Alright, everybody will see you next time.
Kyle Maynard. Bye. Thank you guys.
NORMA STANLEY: be blessed.
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