Remember Jim Barker. You loved him last time and you will really love him this time. He talks in even more detail about organizations and complexity. Jim is the real deal expert in this topic and I love his thinking. Clearly you do as well by the number of requests we got to get him back on the podcast.
Listen to Jim talk about Safety and Organizational Complexity. It is another good ride.
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