When do you have the chance to talk to a polymath? This episode with Phoebe Tickell covers so many different subjects: What is the meaning of inner space in which we find peace? Does the inner space exist at all and if so, how do we cultivate it? How is the outer space in which we work and live changing and how does it integrate with virtual space? Are Decentralised Autonomous Organisations replacing the traditional brick and mortar companies? And what is the BLACK MATTER, the "thing" between the three spaces? Is it what we need to address if we want to change organisations and the world - but we don't so so, maybe because we don't have yet a language for it?