Dare to Disagree - meet the defence expert whose job is to play Devil’s Advocate to the British Army

Meet Jack Watling, a research fellow for the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), the world's oldest defence and security think tank. In this episode, Jack talks to hosts Io and Tony about how learning to debate at school and working as a journalist earlier in his career prepared him to be the person the British Army's top brass call on to challenge and improve their plans for keeping the country safe in the years ahead. He also shares some tried and tested advice on how to manage nerves before a big meeting or presentation and how to work out which arguments are worth having.