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disclaimer: I know not either of these two people. Likely are fine and intelligent folks. Observations solely on the podcast. These arguments are absurd, examples of creating a mountain out of an ant hill to support a bias. Summary: two atomized industrial capitalist force their narrative of “nothing exists outside of the market (not a real place but an abstraction)” onto history. Want to hear a more accurate assessment of the causes? 👉 Abbevilleinstitute.org
So glad you do this!