great interview, and as always great show, you just gets better and betterer , thanks Michelle for sharing your story.

Somebody once asked my when did Peter the disciple of Jesus, became a believer? We have been taught to concentrate on converting people, making them believers ( as if that is our job) instead of engaging in conversations and loving them right. Jesus called Peter, and kept walking with him, teaching him way before Peter truly believed. I see Peter going through the process of deconstruction, which involve lots of ups and downs, even denying Christ, until it truly clicks. I love this talk!!