A collateral note about MMT: as far as I know, it’s not about more taxes, on the contrary, if I do remember well, they say that taxation is useless and even harmful, since gov can issue all the IOU it wants, and while issuing money harms rentiers, taxes harm workers.

Beautiful conversation - very inspiring! ❤️

Graham, I can’t even begin to say how great this is!! is a written copy of your version online as well?