Episode 31: What’s love got to do with it: Carly Hare, Ava Bynum and Masha Chernyak

It isn’t often that we interview social justice activists working in the United States, but in the last few years, the US context has dramatically worsened. Democratic freedoms have been curtailed, women’s rights have been eroded, immigrants are being expelled and incarcerated, and we are seeing armed responses in several major cities to civil society protests. So, in this episode we talk to three extraordinary US social justice leaders: Carly Hare, an equity activist and advocate for the collective power of collective community solutions who comes from the Pawnee/Yankton nations; Masha Chernyak, an immigrant from Russia, who worked for more than a decade at the Latino Community Foundation where she boldly centered love in all of its programs, helping build the largest Latino donor network in the nation and a Latino Nonprofit Accelerator that has changed the game for grassroots nonprofits; and Ava Bynum a resource mobilizer, organizer, and movement leader. Ava is the Director of Impact at Showing Up for Racial Justice (SURJ), where they work to resource social justice movements, lead workshops, coach donors, and raise critical funds to support collective liberation efforts.

We asked them to explain how they center love and solidarity in their work to challenge current moves against democracy and human rights in the US. All of them acknowledge that solidarity work isn’t light and it isn’t easy. Carly talks about how she navigates the different communities she belong to – tribal, family, inter-racial communities – and asks “how do you skill build, how do you hold enough space to love and believe that people can be mobilized? And then how do you hold enough self-love to not put yourself in harm's way”. Masha reflects on how she used to be laughed out of the room when she led strategic planning sessions where she put love squarely at the center but she prevailed. Recounting the words of Shiree Tang she says “when the house is burning, what else do you do?” “ We need to make love just as sexy and powerful as fear.” Ava says clearly that “it’s really hard to organize people you don’t love or at least have some openness to.” Speaking as someone who has worked with poor white communities in Appalachia and other rural areas in the US, she has important lessons to share.

Do these strategies change systems of oppression, we asked.  Listen in and hear their views!