BONUS: What Does It Mean to Believe Survivors? In Conversation with Mary DeMuth and Colleen Ramser

In this bonus episode of Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, we explore one of the most difficult and essential topics raised in season 1: abuse.

Joined by guests Colleen Ramser and Mary DeMuth, we discuss the complexities of trauma, memory, and belief, especially when it comes to hearing and honoring the stories of survivors. From systemic failures in churches to the personal weight of silence and shame, this conversation is both heavy and hopeful.

You’ll also find links below to the important work and resources offered by our guests.

Mary DeMuth

https://www.marydemuth.com/ 

wetoo.org 

Colleen Ramser

https://colleenramser.com/

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Devil and the Deep Blue Sea is a production of Christianity Today 

Hosted and written by Mike Cosper 

Produced by Rebekah Sebastian, with production assistance by Dawn Adams 

Sound Design and Mix Engineer: TJ Hester 

Sound Design, Animation, and Video: Steve Scheidler 

Graphic Design: Nim Ben Reuven 

Music by Dirt Poor Robins 

Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper are the executive producers of CT Media Podcasts, and Matt Stevens is our senior producer. 

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