Why the AI Race Undermines Safety (with Steven Adler)

Stephen Adler is a former safety researcher at OpenAI. He joins the podcast to discuss how to govern increasingly capable AI systems. The conversation covers competitive races between labs, limits of current testing and alignment, mental health harms from chatbots, economic shifts from AI labor, and what international rules and audits might be needed before training superintelligent models.

LINKS:

• Steven Adler Substack site

CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:00) Race Dynamics And Safety

(18:03) Chatbots And Mental Health

(30:42) Models Outsmart Safety Tests

(41:01) AI Swarms And Work

(54:21) Human Bottlenecks And Oversight

(01:06:23) Agents Animals And Superintelligence

(01:19:24) Safety Capabilities And Governance

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