Rachel Zucker speaks with public radio reporter and documentarian John Biewen about his work at the Center for Documentary Studies, especially his two series Seeing White and MEN, which investigate the history and reach of whiteness and masculinity. Rachel and John talk about how John decided to make these series, about the format of Seeing White and MEN, how and why it was important and effective to have a recurring conversational partner or official co-host, the value of white people examining whiteness and men examining toxic masculinity, virtue signaling, problems with imaginative empathy and how to not just think about oppression but begin to do something about changing it.
EXTRA MATERIALS FOR EPISODE 67Projects by John BiewenScene on Radio
Storymakers: Durham
Other People, Projects and Books Mentioned in the EpisodeChenjerai Kumanyika
Celeste Headlee
Reality Radio (ed. by John Biewen; University of North Carolina Press, 2017)
Race Traitor by Noel Ignatiev (Routledge, 1996)
Class, Race and Marxism by David Roediger (Verso, 2017)
White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism by Robin DiAngelo
Allan Gurganus
Natasha Tretheway
Other Relevant LinksCenter for Documentary Studies in Durham, NC
Uncivil, hosted by Chenjerai Kumanyika
Minnesota Public Radio
NPR News
American Radio Works
This American Life
PRX
Racial Equity Institute
Ibram Kendi
Ijeoma Oluo
“In the Same Breath: The Racial Politics of the Best American Poetry 2014” by Isaac Ginsberg Miller (Published in American Poetry Review)
Episode 121: Fred Moten and Ronaldo Wilson - Part 2
Episode 120: Fred Moten and Ronaldo V. Wilson
Episode 119: Eugenia Leigh's Bianca (KTCO feed drop)
Episode 118: Laurel Snyder
Episode 117: Charif Shanahan & Safia Elhillo with Isaac Ginsberg Miller
Episode 116: The Gathered Congregation
Episode 115: Moheb Soliman
Episode 114: Live & Embodied
113: Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah
Episode 112: Gabrielle Octavia Rucker with V Conaty
Episode 111: The Confessional Episode
Episode 110: The Poetics of Wrongness
Episode 109: Joy Harjo
Episode 108: Saeed Jones
Episode 107: Eileen Myles
Episode 106: S. Yarberry with V Conaty
Episode 105: Carl Phillips
Episode 104: The Critical Response Process with Liz Lerman & John Borstel
Episode 103: Cody-Rose Clevidence with Valentine Conaty
Episode 102: Rebekah Wolkstein
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