Kurt Andersen, Pt. 1: Visions of America After a Second Civil War

John welcomes bestselling author, Spy magazine co-founder, and Peabody Award-winning radio host Kurt Andersen for the first installment of a two-part episode focused on his extraordinary new novel, “The Breakup.” After laying out the premise of his first work of speculative fiction—in 2045, two Americans edge towards ending their marriage just as their country, in the wake of a second Civil War, prepares to end its own, much longer union—Andersen discusses how such a national divorce could come to pass, what America might look like in its aftermath, and whether that outcome would actually be so terrible, after all.

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