4.58 Alex Kocman, David Schrock, & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for Immigration”

ABOUT THE EPISODE

Listen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview Alex Kocman on his COA Longform Essay "Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for Immigration"

Timestamps

• 00:30 – Intro
• 04:50 – Alex’s Role in ABWE & Christmas Teaching
• 07:37 – What is a Refugee?
• 09:22 – How Do We Seek to Correctly Interpret Scripture?
• 11:20 – Refugees and Migration
• 15:10 – What Does Scripture Say in Regards to the Refugee, Sojourner, etc.?
• 18:00 – What Makes it Difficult to Think in Categories?
• 21:25 – Thinking About How These Things Affect Nationhood
• 25:52 – What Key Things Should We See from Matthew 2?
• 29:39 – What is the Main Emphasis of the Gospel of Matthew?
• 33:00 – What are the Dissimilarities Between Immigrant and Refugee?
• 36:57 – What are the Church’s and State’s Responsibilities Towards These People?
• 43:40 – Dr. Wellum’s Perspective on Immigration
• 50:26 – The Order Amoris
• 56:14 – Final Thoughts
• 57:23 – Outro

Resources to Click

• “Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for the Immigration Issue” – Alex Kocman
• “Christian Nationalism Misconceptions with David Schrock & Steve Wellum” – The Missions Podcast
• “Jesus Was a Refugee” – He Gets Us
• “Yes, Jesus Was a Refugee” – Russell Moore
• “Jesus Was a Refugee and an Immigrant” – Lindsay Popperson
• “Jesus Was a Refugee” – Salt
• “Pastor Defends Illegal Alien by Saying the Bible is about “God saving us through immigration”” – Not the Bee
• “U.S. Code, Title 8, Aliens and Nationality ẞ1101(a)(42)” – Legal Information Institute
• “Refugees: 2024” – Amanda Yap, U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security
• “Desecrations, threats, and silence: anti-Christian violence grips France” – Gavin Mortimer
• “Arson Attacks on Christian Churches Rise to Record High in Germany” – Kurt Zindulka
• “Some migrant groups are ‘disproportionately criminal’ due to cultural factors, claims renowned Swiss forensic psychiatrist” – Thomas Brooke
• “Dublin protestors clash with police, burn vehicle after migrant accused of sexually assaulting Irish girl” – Michael Dorgan
• “Police accused of covering up alleged asylum seeker child rape for fear of ‘Inflaming community tensions’” – Kurt Zindulka
• “British Parliament rejects inquiry in the ongoing pedophile rape-gang scandal (by a wide majority)” – Edward Teach
• Theme of the Month: Christmas Buffet
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