Rachel Zucker speaks with writer Sabrina Orah Mark (author of The Babies and Tsim Tsum) right before the first night of Passover. They talk about Judaism, surrealism, Claudia Rankine and Kenneth Koch, the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, being good at being pummeled, the prose poem, the kabbalistic concept of tsim tsum, the Holocaust, Jewish identification, what makes a Nazi a Nazi, empathy, Trump, slavery, living in Georgia, the commodification of trauma, teaching outside the academy, “the crying room,” writing fiction, using “I” again, raising an interracial Jewish family in the South, privilege, safety, fear, and believing and not believing in healing.
EXTRA RESOURCES FOR EPISODE 33Books by Sabrina Orah MarkTsim Tsum (Saturnalia, 2009)
The Babies (Saturnalia, 2004)
Other Books and Authors Mentioned in the EpisodeClaudia Rankine
Kenneth Koch
John Donne
Rachel Zucker’s chapbook Annunciation
Coetze’s Waiting for the Barbarians (Penguin, 2010)
Josh Bell
Reginald McKnight
Beyond the Whiteness of Whiteness by Jane Lazarre
Bruno Schulz
Other Relevant LinksMagritte’s The Healer
Emmett Till
Controversy over the Emmett Till painting at the Whitney
“The Poet as Collector,” Sabrina’s lecture on trash
Rachel’s birth poem that mentions tsim tsum
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Episode 116: The Gathered Congregation
Episode 115: Moheb Soliman
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