In this episode, Dr. Katie Martin talks with Dr. Jason Van Heukelum about redesigning success in public education and creating learning environments that honor student agency, purpose, and real-world relevance. Jason shares stories from his own journey—from teaching math to leading district-wide innovation—and reflects on how schools can move beyond compliance-driven models toward experiences that truly prepare learners for life beyond graduation. Together, they explore career-connected learning, community-centered design, and what it takes to build systems that work for all learners, not just some.