Richard speaks with Twitter/Substack writer Ethan (”Hitler Hated Christ”) about his research into Nazi Germany’s relationship with Christianity and howAlt-Right talking-points have been repackaged into mainstream evangelical spaces. They discuss the online resurgence of Christian Nationalism, its overlap with figures like Joel Webbon and Dale Partridge, and parallels to movements like Patriot Front, including the sense of politics as a quasi-religion without clear policy aims. The conversation covers theological questions about whether Jesus is a nationalist, Jesus’ Jewish identity, Paul’s arguments in Romans about Jews and Christians, and why triumphalist anti-Jewish rhetoric conflicts with “boast not against the branches.” They examine the “Curse of Ham” vs. the curse of Canaan, how it was later instrumentalized to defend slavery, and the unusual influence of unaffiliated online pastors. Finally, they debate materialism, moral realism, religion’s social function, Apolloism, and the reliability of sources like Hitler’s Table Talks through corroboration with Goebbels and Rosenberg.
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Timestamps
00:00 Live Setup and Guest Intro
03:26 Ethan Background and Nazi Theology
06:00 Alt Right Ideas Go Mainstream
10:04 Patriot Front and Vibes Politics
21:04 Christianity Meets Nationalism
25:00 Mapping Christian Nationalism Factions
32:33 Was Jesus a Nationalist
35:59 Jesus Christ Superstar Debate
37:14 Jesus Versus Nationalists
39:07 Dionysus Comparison
39:54 Mercy Law And Hell
42:30 Lion And Lamb Revelation
44:17 Is Jesus A Jew
47:21 Romans And Antisemitism
53:28 Noah Sons And Race
59:52 Curse Of Ham Debate
01:06:51 Webben Partridge Network
01:09:58 Hitler And Christianity Sources
01:13:54 Trump and Hitler Parallels
01:16:38 Hitler’s Christian Rhetoric
01:17:05 Data on Nominal Christianity
01:18:33 Trump Era Religious Populism
01:20:45 Forgiveness Controversy
01:22:24 Predicting Online Reactionaries
01:24:51 Politics as Quasi Religion
01:27:30 Antichrist as Metaphor
01:30:24 Historicity and Skepticism
01:31:49 Calvinism and Election
01:37:25 Raising Kids in Church
01:40:20 Apolloism and Theism
01:42:01 Mythic Gods as Archetypes
01:44:21 Religion as Social Binding
01:46:42 Mystery Cults and Plato
01:48:16 Apolloism Future Project
01:49:16 Moral Realism Question
01:50:10 Greek Gods and Virtues
01:51:22 Religion as Historical Engineering
01:52:17 Destiny and Moral Anti Realism
01:55:34 Materialism Versus Metaphysics
01:57:34 Piranha Morality and New Gods
01:59:43 Christianity Nominalism and Science
02:02:30 Plato Forms and Moral Realism
02:05:36 Leaving White Nationalism
02:09:44 No Apology Tour
02:12:02 Internet Memory and Shadows
02:15:08 Wrap Up