9 Years ago (BBY?) Rogue One was released and a lot of people enjoyed the darker, more serious take on the Star Wars universe. However it felt like an outlier, and for many it didn’t fit in with everything else in that galaxy Far Far away.
3 years ago Andor was released. It was show many thought was unnecessary, exploring the backstory of a secondary character many hadn’t really embraced. “nobody asked for this” was a regular comment. Oh how that attitude was to change upon it’s release!
Today, the two seasons of Andor are a high water-mark for not just Star Wars, but TV dramas in general. And they way that they have re-contextualised Rogue One is nothing short of revalatory.
In this podcast we look back at the two seasons of the show, and then dig down looking for the deep substrate foliated calcite at the heart of these shows and movies.
Dion is our rogueish hero, Jill is the far less creepy non-cgi Leia at the end of Rogue One and Quinny is definitely the Glub Shitto of this podcast.
Synopsisthis story follows Cassian Andor, a thief and mercenary, five years before Rogue One. He’s seeking his sister, Kerri, and becomes involved in the nascent rebellion against the Empire after killing two security guards. He then seeks refuge on Ferrix, where he and his friend Bix are drawn into a black market deal involving an Imperial tech unit. Season two then spans the intervening 5 years leading up to the events of the movie which will ultimately dovetail into Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
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Season 1
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Season 2
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Rogue One
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Transcript
Speaker
Spice. Several tears.
Speaker 1
Assassins.
Speaker 2
Well done, terrible things on behalf of the rebellion.
Speaker 1
Cassie and Ender. No matter what you tell me or tell yourself, you’ll ultimately die fighting these ********. Wouldn’t you rather give it all at once? To something real.
Speaker
We’ve chosen a site. We’re fighting against the dark.
Speaker 2
There is an organised rebel effort, drill down and get a hunt started. Realize what you set in motion. People will suffer.
Speaker 1
Time must come to force their hand.
Speaker 2
At what cost?
Speaker
Everything.
Speaker 1
Every day we wait, they get stronger.
Speaker
Let’s take them by surprise.
Speaker 1
For the greater. Good. Call it what you have.
Speaker
Let’s call it. People are standing. Up there are straight and right now they’re afraid.
Speaker 3
Let’s go.
Speaker
Star Wars and or three episode premieres streaming September 21st.
Speaker 3
Bow shooter?
Dion
Pinky. And greetings to everyone out there. Hello. Welcome to the periodic table of all. My name is Dion, or for this side, the person that you’ll have to get to be muted because he’s not going to shut up. And that’s Jill and Quinney anyway. Getting into what I want to. Talk about.
Quinny
Anyway. We should all welcome the. Key deal, which apparently means mighty, but I call.
Dion
********. I’ve got a wonky Chewbacca, which is a a lovely little pneumonic about that. So that’s a different scene. This is different movies. This is all fine. OK, we’re going to get into this. It’s fine. How is everyone? Hello to everyone in the chat. It’s very nice that you all joined.
Jill
Ah.
Dion
Thank you. In the. Oh, yes, there’s Casper. Just and they said like, thank you for subbing. You’re going in there getting straight away. It’s good to see. OK.
Quinny
Trading. Something like the machine gun that he is and would love you for it. Thank you, Casper.
Dion
Now. Yes, love it. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, Jill. Hello, queenie. Peter couldn’t make it. And also she hasn’t watched it. So that’s why she’s dead to us now. She’s got a little. She got a little TV show that she’s got that she’s currently massaging into the world. So we’re gonna give her a pass on that one.
Speaker
Hi.
Quinny
Wow. Yeah.
Dion
Excellent. Now when I did a little bit of a thing and went back and checked on when we reviewed certain things. So going all the way back to 2016 when we reviewed Rogue One. I know right, that’s 10 like almost 10 years ago. And then we never really did a full episode.
Jill
OK, OK. Wow.
Quinny
Oh.
Dion
On and or season 1 and we and then we never really did a full show on end or season 2. We only did a few episodes. So that’s why even though it feels like we have reviewed all of this, this is just one show dedicated to all of the Gilroy girls.
Speaker
Didn’t.
Jill
Interesting.
Dion
Which is what I want to call it now forever and a day.
Jill
Just for people that aren’t aware. Tony Gilroy is the the showrunner. Is that correct? Yes.
Dion
Yes, and and and writer. And even though Gareth Edwards was the director of Rogue One, a Star Wars story, he was also a writer on that so.
Speaker 7
Normally.
Quinny
You know, they’re they’re pretty strong intimations that Tony Giller, who was fairly heavily responsible for some of the reshoots also.
Dion
Sure. I wanna like I just wanna do something here which seems a bit out of character for regular Star Wars nerds. Is like I’m gonna give a shout out to Kathleen Kennedy. She gets a lot of Flack for all of the stuff that she’s in there and not not a lot of people were comfortable with her. Decisions. But you gotta admit, without her you wouldn’t have this.
Quinny
Sorry, I just need to check down down. Are you a man with a beard who likes Star Wars and a?
Dion
All of the people there. Just.
Quinny
Holy no, no, no, no. You you, you are legally not allowed to mention Kathleen Kennedy without it being a violent slur.
Dion
Yeah. So she has no, no. Hell no, Kathleen. Kathleen Kennedy has given us so much stuff over the years like, I mean, it’s OK. She’s not responsible for everything anyway.
Quinny
Some kind of angry, you know? And so well, and you know what? If she is responsible for things she’s actually responsible for a lot of good ****, sure. No, everybody’s, you know out there hating on her. But she’s been kicking around since. What, the early 80s doing Lucasfilm and stuff like that anyway.
Dion
Not just Star Wars, though. Yeah. Indiana Jones? Yep, all that kind of anyway, yeah.
Speaker
Right.
Quinny
Jill. Yes, you’re a Star Wars fan. You.
Jill
I am and I’m only like a. Newly ish recent ISH Star Wars minted fan because like.
Quinny
England.
Jill
****, I I never. Really I was not gung ho Star Wars. I had seen the original trilogy. I had seen the the prequels when they came out and saw the sequels and yeah, it was all really cool, but it wasn’t really until they started doing the TV stuff. That I got. Really far down into the hole and I I blame clone wars. I blame clone.
Dion
Ohk. OK, I thought you talk about the TV stuff like Ewoks and droids. Yeah. The cartoons from the No. Not that. OK, that’s ohh. OK, sure. Because you you gotta remember, there has been some TV stuff.
Jill
The recent TV stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Dion
If we go all the way back. To the holiday special in trouble.
Speaker
But if there’s.
Jill
One thing that is sure to get me hooked, it’s if you tell me there is law, I will go back and I will. I will devour the law.
Quinny
Oh, so much love. God, yes. Yeah. And and this this is a a show that that really I I find it interesting because this is a show that that not only builds law but does a whole bunch of like weaving of law.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
In into narratives that at the same time as feeling very, you know, modern and you know it utterly. Of the time, but at the same time, kind of timeless. And also does this bizarre and magical thing of recontextualizing other films ******* blows my mind. And yeah, I’m. I’m we’re not gonna give number reviews of this are we we’re not reviewing this as.
Jill
I don’t know.
Dion
I don’t know. I just you keep talking about law though, and I just keep going into Max von Sydow’s character from the sequels law. Santika. I’m like. Look at hell.
Quinny
There’s the first one of the night.
Dion
Oh yes, this one.
Jill
Was I on the original review for Rogue One?
Dion
No. No.
Jill
Oh.
Dion
No, no. And that was very specifically. I do remember that one because it was we went, could you not got to go and see it and then we went back and did the audio recording. This is a pre video recording. We’re just our dulcet tones.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah, it it was right near Christmas. I remember. Cause we left our work Christmas party and and explain to people. We’re gonna go and watch a Star Wars film and they’re like ******* nerds.
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
Dion
And we had the best time. It was ******* great activation and everything.
Quinny
Yeah. Yeah, there were people doing like martial arts and **** like that, which had nothing at all to do with. The thing, but it was a great activation.
Jill
Adam. Lots. Actor in the film.
Quinny
Sure. True. Good point. It was the Donnie yen of it all. That is, that actually makes a lot more sense. Now, 10 years later.
Jill
Yeah. It’s wow, I contextualised it for you in retrospect.
Speaker
Yes.
Quinny
You’re still you are the end or of this.
Jill
Yeah. So here’s the thing. I’ve never I didn’t like.
Quinny
Harmony.
Jill
Rogue one, I’m like.
Quinny
You’re right. Hmm.
Jill
Yeah, it’s a movie that where everybody dies, I’m like. That ******* sucked.
Dion
Yeah. And I think I think part of part of this, the reason that we’re doing, you know, all everything tonight and coming back to it is. The the two seasons of and or Recontextualize Rogue one as a viewing and yeah, yeah, it makes it really interesting.
Jill
100 percent 100.
Quinny
Yeah. Yeah. Like I’m guessing that after finishing end or season 2, did you both basically go straight on into Rogue One?
Dion
Immediately 100% yeah.
Quinny
I did it like a day later because it was by the time I’d finished the end of end of season 2 it was. Very late at night and was like.
Dion
Yeah. I just. I just push through. I think it would. Be better at 1:30. It’s like I am watching Rogue one from start to.
Quinny
Yeah. I as I said today on you know worked the other day, I was like, I have never seen something so completely re like and I hate saying because we’ve said it multiple times, but recontextualize a film so comprehensively as what and or does for the film of Rogue One. But also then, what Rogue one? In its position now in an in cannon does for Episode 4, and you know a lot of the other films as well, like it. It then kind of the the weight of what happens here suddenly changes what happens later too and that. It does things that you kind of don’t necessarily wrap your head around until a bit later, like when you’re watching Luke and Han and Chewy get a a ******* metal put on around their neck. Not chewy, sorry.
Dion
Yeah. I was about to say hang.
Quinny
And you’re like *************. You came in for the last two minutes.
Dion
Yeah.
Jill
I know and. If you think I didn’t watch episode. Four straight after Rogue One as. Well, you’re kidding yourself because, yeah, and it’s so bizarre. Like watching it in that order because you have all of this.
Dion
Well done, well done.
Jill
Like emotional baggage throughout season one of two of Endor and then you get to Rogue One and you’re like ohh man they were so done dirty. They all died now and then you. Get to have. A slide four and then here they all are cheering at the end layer doesn’t give a **** that her punt has been blown to ****, but she is giving them medals, yeah.
Quinny
Yes.
Speaker
We did it, guys.
Dion
Yeah, I know, I know. And it’s. But also because if you think about it like, oh, they’re the. Heroes of the rebellion? Yeah. They’re the only ones.
Jill
They came in.
Speaker
But.
Jill
For two ******* minutes and they’re the heroes of the whole rebellion that’s been going for decades.
Dion
Yeah, does. It does feel like one of those group group group projects where someone who didn’t do any of the work just walks in, presents the, the, the the project and then goes thanks and they go very well done a for you only just for you you have an A not you your dog doesn’t get one which is slightly fun.
Speaker 7
Yes.
Quinny
Yeah.
Dion
Yeah. Look, there are there are a lot of things I do want to come back to you. Actually. You made a great point talking about Leia and her reaction to everything after getting stuff blown up. But like, yeah, I wanna. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so season 1, should we go all the way back, we we might as well do it chronologically to to go through this memories of season 1 of the vendor was one of those great things because it much like I feel the Mandalorian set a precedent. For Star Wars Television, which was like ohh, this is space Western. You know kind of fun, kind of goofy, but also had a more serious tone and or just has a very adult feel to it. If you can use that without being.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
You know, too strange. It was just like this is quite literally a spy thriller set in the Star Wars universe. But it doesn’t have the things that make it. Silly.
Jill
Yeah, I think I remember seeing the trailer for it and I thought, oh, what’s this gonna be about? I’m like, Ohh, it’s the dude that died in Rogue one. OK, where?
Quinny
Yes.
Speaker 2
We’re gonna go with.
Jill
This and watching that trailer. Yeah. And and like seeing the tone and the mood of it all.
Quinny
I mean, we kind of not he’s he’s up.
Jill
And it was like, so politically focused. And I’m like, you know what, that’s like a really fascinating aspect that they don’t really hone in on too much in, like the films. It’s all about, you know, good versus evil. And, you know, the magic of the force and everything like that, it’s just like.
Speaker
MHM.
Jill
Yeah, but it’s all centered around a Senate. Of this like.
Speaker
Hmm.
Jill
Huge Galaxy of all of these different planets that are all trying to come together to, to live amicably, being ruled by an empire that is tyrannical. And how does all of that work? You know, why is there a rebellion? What is actually going on? Why?
Quinny
Yeah. How does this happen?
Jill
Are like people being oppressed like what is?
Speaker
Hmm.
Jill
You know the context of the Star Wars.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah, and something I I do love about it is that it contextualises that. But it also builds like, all through the TV stuff. And, you know, I guess even the last couple of films, there has been a building understanding of the, the the simplicity of the original films of the Good versus evil. Is way, way off like that was that was 1 moment in time where it was so cut and dried, yeah. That everything else around it is actually Shades of Grey and you know the the Jedi were for how you know, 1000 generations, the protectors of peace and whatever. No, they were corrupt. They were lazy. They had lost their way. They had gotten too comfortable with what they were doing.
Jill
They were kind of mercenaries for the Senate.
Quinny
They were mercenaries. Yeah, absolutely. They they were cops. And, you know, you go back to the beginning of episode 1. It’s about a trade dispute. And these guys have literally been sent in to strong armed people as a part of a trade dispute. The fact that they’re the good guys, you go. Ohh. OK, right. Fair enough. But the you have to start rethinking about the whole universe as. OK. It’s not as simple as light side. Good dark side bad. There are now a whole bunch of other things that you need to take into account and the politics. Is hugely important and.
Jill
Yeah, I think it does more for world building in this series than any other films.
Quinny
God. Yeah. Yeah. I mean because there’s.
Dion
More time. Also. Yeah, it’s right. You’ve got more time to introduce characters. Let something develop slowly. Also, as you’re quite right to say, it’s not about war at this time. Like, you know, Star Wars episode 4. A New Hope is about a shooting war. Yeah, alright. Like kind of at it’s the start of a shooting war but and or is not about that. It’s already been won. The Clone Wars have won, have been won. Yeah, the empire is is is established. They are the cops. They are the law. That is the way that it’s all living and it’s just crushing everyone underneath it. And it’s a really interesting way that they use that to explain or show how that kind of the brutality of banality. You know, I mean, it’s already there. It’s happening right now and the as they even say, they just keep squeezing. Yeah. And they’re choking very slowly. The lifeout of everyone.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
And it’s only been for. What? 1617 years at that point.
Dion
Well, I mean, I don’t know because I haven’t got a timeline in front of me.
Quinny
Like, I mean, yeah, yeah. But it’s it’s not much because, you know, we know that Luke is, you know, 19 or something like that start of episode 4. It’s.
Dion
Five, it’s five years from before the like episode.
Quinny
I love you. Have 4.
Dion
Yeah, five years before and and all season 2 is only three years. Before then, two years, then one. Year. Yeah. Yeah, I’m just trying to figure out when when the end of The thing is, it’s not long.
Quinny
It’s it’s not long and and.
Jill
So it must be like 15 years then.
Quinny
Yeah. So it’s, it’s about 15 years that the Empire has actually been in charge, which in terms of, you know, like intergalactic time scales, is tiny. It’s nothing. But in terms of the amount of freaking power that can. We coopted and and gathered and enforced as we are seeing right now.
Jill
Yeah. I mean, it’s only been six months for. Yeah. Yeah, Trump Part 2.
Dion
It’s it’s 14 years from episode 3 of the establishment of. There we go. Thank thanks, doctor Google. Yeah. It’s 14 years since Darth Vader was was created and the establishment of the New Empire. So, you know, Palpatine’s been doing some ****. People are getting kind of kind of comfortable and it’s a nice kind of idea.
Jill
There you go.
Dion
You go. Yeah. So it’s like 20 years all up so. You know almost 20 years from.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
To that.
Quinny
And it’s it is interesting because there you see structures that are in place that are obviously a lot older than. That. The Senate has been around for generations. M.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
Intergenerational wealth has been around for a lot longer.
Dion
For for intergenerational.
Quinny
Yeah. Absolutely. Like so the the Mothma family and so forth. They’ve had money and power for a lot longer than the empire has been around. You know these. So the the decisions that people make and the way that they interact with power and power structures. Is longer than just empires and and you kind of look at that and you come into it and you’re like, OK and now we’re going to learn about and or.
Jill
Yeah, we’re gonna narrow down and focus into one little cog in this big machine and see how it affects at this small group of people.
Dion
And also like, I love that it focuses on someone who doesn’t want to be a. Yeah, like it, it gives us all of those kind of things that we wanna go. We you know, we know that we wanna. We have gotta follow Cassie and and or it’s his story why does it he’s a reluctant hero he gets his call to you know action he rejects it it’s it’s yeah comprehensively you get this nascent rebellion you’re you’re giving explanations.
Quinny
Humphrey.
Dion
Of how it got sort of how tenuous it is, just how ignorant and brutal the Imperial War machine is. And also we finally finally get to see the ISB, the Imperial Security Bureau, who’ve always been around in the background and they wear the white kind of uniforms. And they’re the ones they’re they’re just the Gestapo. That’s just the Gestapo. That’s all they are. Yeah. They love a burro.
Jill
Love a Biro?
Speaker
Yep.
Dion
And you know, this was what was great about Endor. No lightsabers, no force. You know, no magical Pixie person to come out, swing a laser sword around and solve all your problems. It was. It is just like, Nope, there’s all this other stuff going on there and and the idea of a Jedi is so foreign to everyone because that just does. They just don’t see them. That it became a really interesting opportunity to do, like a Tinker Tailor, soldier spy. 3 long.
Jill
Yeah.
Dion
And it worked.
Quinny
Yeah.
Dion
So well, because everyone was ******* committed to it.
Jill
Yeah. It’s also really interesting to see like a Star Wars take on like 1 Stone casting a ripple. Like, how does this affect the wider Galaxy? It’s it is like. The rebellion is like a grassroots movement. It’s small. It’s like there’s pockets throughout the Galaxy. It’s very. Tiny and organised and you know under the radar, because that’s the way it’s gotta work. But like, how does one person affect so much change?
Quinny
Hmm. And it’s it is one person, but it’s also all of the people around them. And while and or is the the central character, you get him intersecting with other characters who teach him, learn from him, whatever and.
Speaker
Yes.
Quinny
And. Like I think the first season’s great because you’ve got sort of it’s essentially 3 really distinct arcs. You know, there’s the the stuff on ferrix, there’s the stuff.
Speaker
MHM.
Quinny
On. God, the car or something. No. Well, no. The the planet with the where they do the heist. Ohh aldani aldani. And then you’ve got the stuff on Marchena 5.
Dion
And the stuff on Coruscant.
Quinny
And the stuff on Carson. So you’ve sort of got, like, a bunch of episodes for each, and each one has something that they’re kind of exploring each, you know, characters who build up, who Cassian is. And yeah, like. The I find them interesting because each one has such a very different flavor to. Like all the stuff on ferrix is very you know, the workers, it’s about, you know, I guess him, we’re just learning about his background. But then you go to aldani and you get this this great heist, which is. And and also that’s when it’s like, OK, this is now about a bigger rebellion.
Jill
Yeah, it’s. Like. Seeing the extremist side of it.
Quinny
Hmm. Yeah. And from a perspective, they’re not good people.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Quinny
Like they’re they’re holding a family at gunpoint. They are. They’re just thieves. They’re stealing money. There is, like, you know, this is not like we know that it’s for a good cause. But it’s very easy to read it as like these are not good people and one of them turns out to just not be a good person.
Dion
Well, I mean, this is the really nice thing about all of this is that no one is really a. Good person.
Quinny
Nemic nemic is a good.
Dion
In. Person. Yeah, but I mean like this is, this is the great thing we’re talking about the grey areas, the the Shades of Grey, the stuff that goes on in this, this presents everyone as flawed. Like there isn’t. You don’t look at like it goes out of its way to say Cassian is not a good person. It goes out of its way to create situations where people are doing horrible things for what could be considered altruistically, the right reasons, but also they’re still horrible things and it doesn’t shy away and apologise for that.
Jill
Oh yeah.
Dion
Which is why it’s such an interesting addition to the Star Wars universe. And that’s just our introduction to it. Which is why, as we keep saying. It keeps reframing rogue one to a generation that didn’t really know what that was about because it still tried to give us action bits and space battles and all this fun stuff. But. It’s like, but there’s also an undercurrent. Of like weird in there that we didn’t quite get and. Now it’s like ooh. This is this is a lot more. This is this meal is so complex.
Quinny
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I’ve I’ve now had flavours introduced to me that I can recognise in the.
Dion
Main dish, yes and yes. Thanks. Ohh yes in there we have war in Star Wars and war is messy.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
And war is not great, and it introduces that factor in the first season, and then it compounds that factor in the second season very specifically.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
As a matter of interest, what would your favorite sequences or bits out of season 1?
Dion
Sure. Oh man, my favorite one was the eye.
Quinny
The the Aldani episodes.
Dion
Yeah. Well, I mean visually. That whole thing they’re building towards that heist. And and visually that escape out of the heist was was really spectacular. Go back and watch it again if you can watch it. The highest definition you can. But I also like the Nakano 5 prison escape.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Yeah.
Dion
That’s emotional.
Jill
Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, seeing what you know, people are going through under the empire like, you know. Without. Any idea of what they’re actually contributing to was, you know, it’s a terrifying prospect, but I think for me, my favorite stuff was like seeing the people of ferricks rise up against the ISB. Yeah, like they’d been under the thumb for so long. And I really pushed around and yeah, I mean.
Dion
I mean. Brick, yeah. Brasso brasso smacking. Yeah, brasso smacking someone over their head with Marvel’s brick was actually one of those great moments. You’re like ****. Yeah, finally. And the boiling point.
Jill
You gotta gotta throw the first stone.
Dion
Gets reached. The first bubble pops.
Quinny
Yeah. And there is a part of me I I like. I disagree with Disney. I actually think that they should have left the line in the way that it was. **** the empire.
Jill
Oh yeah.
Quinny
Like. I know that they could never have gotten away. With it because. It is not. It’s it’s. That’s not Star Wars.
Dion
Sure. I mean, just imagine if it had been on like replayed on free to air television in the 90s.
Quinny
But.
Dion
Funk the empire.
Quinny
With the entire.
Dion
Funky empire, OK.
Jill
Funk.
Dion
We don’t wanna punk.
Quinny
And we do that in. Season 2 I was it didn’t it did like.
Dion
Mean what didn’t? The most interesting thing I think actually came from the first episode of and or. Way someone I remember reading on the Internet watching it like oh, I’m going to watch and I’m going to watch it with my child. And you know, the father and son are watching it and and, you know, 10 minutes into the first episode of end or, you know, imagine the child just going. Dad, what’s a prostitute?
Quinny
Oh no.
Dion
What’s a brothel?
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Did he? The humor just shoot that guy.
Dion
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, shooting is fine because, you know, Han shot 1st and all that, but this is the first time they went to a sex club. And it’s just kind of like this is a different kind.
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
Dion
Of show.
Quinny
Yeah.
Dion
But feels very familiar because you know, they just did a. Really good job on that.
Quinny
I I I ******* love the knocking of five act ark. Just because how he gets there is so shocking. Yeah, like he’s he’s literally gotten away with it. He’s chilling on a beach and then **** goes **** ** because he happens to be in the wrong place.
Dion
Yeah. He’s just ****** by bureaucracy. That’s what the great thing about it is. It’s like ohh, I got away with it. Yeah, you know how we’re gonna get your bureaucracy? We’re just gonna improve. We’re gonna start rounding people up because we don’t like the look of them.
Quinny
Yep, yeah.
Speaker
Yeah.
Jill
Yeah, I picked him.
Dion
Up. Yeah, yeah, I exactly, exactly.
Quinny
Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I see the the particular robot. But, and. And then you get this this, like, totally different style of show, which is like this, this really contained tense prison drama, you know, with all of those sort of notes where, you know, the old guy who’s dying and and.
Dion
100%.
Quinny
Then the the communication between the different levels and stuff, and then this incredibly emotional breakout. I thought that like the. This stuff on ferrix great really enjoyed the the highest, but for me the thing that solidified it as being a truly ******* amazing show was the markina 5 stuff I was like, oh, **** me, this is. And I I watched, watched it at the time I thought it was good, and then a few months ago I rewatched it. Just because I was like, I think I want to watch something good. Yeah, yeah, same again. I was just like, ohh **** me. Wow.
Dion
Yeah, look, you know, Season 1 of Andor was a was a. Thing in the way that it just it it captured exactly what we’re after. It gave us an adult storyline. It didn’t tie everything up and made us all just incredibly hungry. For the second season. And. I’m I don’t know. Should we? Should we skip to that now? Or do we wanna? Yeah.
Quinny
Do you wanna keep going into that way and is there, is there anything else that we need to cover? Like, OK 222 people that we haven’t talked about at all just from season 1 and I think it’s important to kind of just just.
Speaker
Sure.
Quinny
Touch on some of the the key characters, Cyril.
Speaker
Sure.
Dion
Yeah. Ohh yeah. Kyle Sollers, Cyril. Amazing.
Jill
Our favorite ISP. Simple.
Quinny
Yeah, my God. And apparently my phone thinks that its name is Cyril.
Dion
Nice. He just like.
Jill
Thank you.
Quinny
And dedra like 2 characters who you kind of meet throughout the course of that, that whole thing. And to be honest, I thought where the **** are they going with this serial? Guy.
Dion
He just wanted to be part of.
Speaker
Like.
Dion
The Palpatine youth.
Quinny
He just wanted to be part of something, he. Shouldn’t to be important.
Speaker
York.
Dion
Yeah.
Jill
Like the young Liberals.
Quinny
Like yeah, 100%. Like he just wanted to be important and on the side of what he.
Speaker
It’s kind of.
Quinny
Thought was right.
Dion
Well, see, this is the whole sort of thing. It’s a. It’s a lovely explanation of that character is an isolated slightly, you know, hounded and and and kind of abused male character who’s looking for a point and a purpose in life. And has decided that they’re going, he’s going to do that through, you know, just rapid conform. Body to something like, you know, that’s what he’s he’s he’s hitched a wagon to it because he thinks that’s the way it’s going. That’s that’s everything gives him control. So control attracts him because the rest of his life is out of control or control for him. So. He’s a really fascinating character and I really love what his growth across two seasons was amazing.
Quinny
Hmm. And you know, his his **** awful mother. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like. And once again, the banality of evil. Like, does this woman who delights in belittling and, you know, destroying joy. So he has no other way of viewing the world other than through that lens. And who does he fall in love with? And. A woman clinically incapable of smiling.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
Well, did Ramiro’s a great character cause it? It just shows you how ruthless the the empire even amongst themselves. I mean, Devil’s got party guts in there, like, you know, showing him he’s a great character because he’s just so forthright. It doesn’t mince its words. It doesn’t take its time. It gets through those scenes very rapidly, exactly like the imperial. Democracy, we get to spend time with. You know, the rebels and those partisans and those other people because they’ve fully developed characters. I also love how we do not get to spend any time with any of The Imperials except when. They’re just doing their bit and then they move on because that’s their life. They have no personality, like it’s a very complicated show. I’m very happy with how they dealt with everything.
Quinny
And also just before we move on to season 2.
Dion
Sure.
Quinny
Loosen rail.
Speaker
Oh.
Dion
Fabulous man, I love it. I love it. You’ve got to be that you’ve got to be that sort of a person. Absolutely dark, but also fabulous.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Dion
How do you live in these two worlds? How do you pull the wool over the eyes of all these people? Because you act like a FOP and you kill people for. For fun, for fun. Like, yeah, great character.
Quinny
Yeah. Come. Kindness. Kinship, love. I just say all these words.
Dion
Also delivered the greatest speech, I think in all of Star Wars about burning your life. You know, for a sunrise I’ll never see.
Quinny
Yeah. Poet. And he was right. Spoilers, beautiful.
Dion
Wonderful. So yes. Anyway, season Season 1, we’re happy. With that, yeah. Great. I just want to go quickly into the season 2 trailer, which is, you know what was great about this season 2 trailer is the fact that it’s a departure from what you’re expecting because it adds a bit of rock’n’roll, which just made me even happier to watch it.
Speaker
We’re in a war. You want to fight.
Speaker 1
Who you want to? Win. All our hopes that come to thee. Starts.
Speaker
Now.
Speaker 1
What a swell party this is.
Speaker
These. For this moment. You’re here. You’re right here. And you’re ready to fight. Oh **** yeah.
Dion
Who doesn’t love that ******* trailer? It kicked ****. Yeah, some people, like, missed that one. That was the first teaser trailer that they released for season 2 of and or before their full marketing campaign went through it, and it’s just *******.
Quinny
I I OK full full transparency, I don’t think I’ve seen it, but also I still haven’t seen it because we can’t see the trailer. So all door saw was Dion going.
Dion
Yeah, yeah. Listening, listening to the music, the music like, yeah, it’s a rock. It was a rock’n’roll trailer and it just was just this thing where you’re, like, **** yeah. Didn’t know what to expect for season 2, but, you know. This is great.
Quinny
Anyway, presentative of Season 2 though.
Dion
Not really like Season 2 was way like I watched that trailer and I was like, this is just gonna be freaking *******. Really, like blowing up **** for the rebellion. And then I was like, Oh my God, I got something different, but I kinda like. It plus Mendo ******* Menda. Mindat yeah, Wendy’s back.
Jill
I totally forgot that he was in Rogue One because I kind of like wiped the movie from my brain after I watched. It so it’s like. Saw him in season 2. I was like, yeah, no, no.
Speaker
Amanda.
Speaker 1
Amanda. Yeah.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
Look, OK season 2, it’s got thrills, it’s got spills. It’s it took a.
Speaker
Stop the.
Jill
Boys from marketing.
Quinny
Exactly. God, it’s got when the marketing counts showed up and I’m just. Like, oh, I’m in the.
Dion
Worst deep.
Jill
Here are the optics for how we’re gonna steal.
Dion
Deep substrate calcite calcite substitutes calcite alternatives.
Jill
A bunch of ore from a planet.
Quinny
Oh.
Speaker
Ohh.
Jill
The lunch buffet meeting.
Quinny
Calculate. Yeah.
Dion
Also very really different departure from the way they structured all the episodes. Whereas in Season 1 it was a linear progression about over a certain period of time of what happened and this one they decided to release it in four three episode blocks of one year skips.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
And I was not.
Speaker
Loved it.
Dion
Not I was not. I was not. Wasn’t convinced when it did that. And then when it started doing it, I was like ohh this this helps to skip things along.
Jill
Yeah. Well, I never saw any of the. Trailers never saw anything. For it, read the article about the episode structure and thought. Love it. That’s gonna be great. Because you get little bite sized chunks because you know what we’re like with binging, we’ll just sit there and watch the whole ******* thing. So. But instead of weekly drops, you get 3 episodes a week. And I thought it was the perfect amount because yeah, I am gonna sit.
Dion
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Jill
There and watch 3. Episodes and you get this little self. Contains storing in each one, but it all like puzzles together to build.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Like an epic canvas over four years.
Quinny
So and I I. Initially I was like no, I want this to last. I wanted to play out. I want it to feel like we’re we’re getting, you know, this beautiful long story and everything like that, you know, because that’s what we got in the first season. But after the first three, I went. No. Oh, no, I get it now. They’re just. Yeah, there’s short films. They’re not even actually short films. They’re.
Speaker
Yes.
Quinny
Feature length films.
Jill
Yeah, it’s funny cause like each block is also like a little triptych as well. In the three episodes, because you are getting like the. The characters that we’ve like met along the way. Now each of their perspectives of of what is happening in this year.
Dion
Yeah. And it’s, it’s and it’s. I’m sorry you got corny.
Quinny
And. Yeah. Sorry. You you go.
Dion
I it was. I loved how it also showed a few like some of the consequences of the things that were happening as well. Like, you know, leftist infighting. Later in the first block. Oh dear, I seem to have started a rebellion and now I have to face up to the consequences of that block. We really should have killed Krennic and had that party back block, I mean, and oopsie rebellion dead.
Jill
Hmm.
Dion
Maybe. All of these things are great like and it just it just made it. You know what really help with the tension?
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
And the resolution, it also allowed them to wrap up some of the storylines, which was really annoying because even though this feeds straight into rogue one, which as we all know, is a total party kill.
Speaker 7
Yes.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
They also started offering people from season 1 of Andor straight away in season 2, and it started making you realize, oh ****, this really is a total party kill. Like all the people that start the rebellion.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Yeah.
Dion
Will they die like that’s the thing.
Quinny
No, nobody gets out of this ******* Scott free. That’s the thing.
Dion
No.
Quinny
And and each everyone has the opportunity to possibly go badly to also potentially sell people out because you do not ******* know who’s who’s like. You know who’s good guys and bad guys. But there’s there’s always the possibility that something’s going to go.
Dion
You know.
Quinny
Wrong. And that somebody is going to suddenly find themselves on the wrong side. Of history? Yeah, loved it. Loved that. So the first arc in this one was sort of the. The the farming ark really, wasn’t it? Yeah, but the so it was the theft of the the not X wing. Sorry, the tie. It was a. It was a tie.
Jill
Glider.
Dion
Interceptor is a prototype tie defender.
Quinny
OK, prototype. Yeah.
Dion
Sena systems prototype Thai.
Quinny
OK, go on. But so you’ve got that’s end of story. And then the stuff on the, the farming planet, I was loved the farming planet, and I’ve heard a lot of people go that they really didn’t dig the the whole infighting with the two rebellion like the. What? What did you call it? Left as the.
Dion
Ohh. Infighting simulator. Yeah, left as infighting simulator in that first 3 episode was like I’m part of a rebellion. I’m part of a rebellion, but you’re not the leader of this party though we have.
Quinny
To decide who’s new leader, the Judean People’s Front, not the people from the judina.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
Which you can understand.
Quinny
Ice.
Dion
That This is why so Guerrera is. Like this group, this group, you’re. All not doing anything anyway.
Speaker
Gotta go blow something up.
Quinny
Ohhh. Yeah, ******* splitters. Yeah, like and the fact. And I love that I actually love that sequence because it really was very much a look at leftist infighting and. Knowing when they’re the people are passionate about a belief, they will fight each other over. You know, getting that belief over the line, whereas something like the the empire is so good at all going in one straight ******* line because they’re too afraid to step out of line. And you’ve got ******* a group of rebels literally turning a stolen weapon on themselves. Yep. Like you’re just watching it going, you ******* idiots. Yeah, but I love that that at the end of it is revealed to all be on Yavin. And you’re like, oh, so this is literally where the rebellion starts? Yeah.
Dion
A bunch of people fighting with each other that are supposed to be together. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know.
Quinny
Yeah.
Dion
That’s not also, you know. Unfortunately we brasso like, I mean, the spoilers, we’ve already seen this we’re talking about here brasso such a sad way that he went out, but also this is kind of what this season 2 is explaining to us, which is like yeah, people will die, but people will die in banal and boring ways or kind of just.
Speaker
Process.
Dion
You know, not very thrilling ways, because that’s what happens.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
When someone is killed it, it could be for a ****** or pointless reason. It doesn’t have to be a great self sacrifice. There isn’t 1 great moment which helps to lead into Rogue One at the end of Rogue One. When we get into there. A little bit later, so I kind of really like that that, you know, we were, it had some had some big moments. I think there weren’t a lot of big, big moments in Season 2, which made me kind of go, oh, there wasn’t like the aldani. Heist.
Jill
Sure.
Dion
Notwithstanding the Goldman massacre as. I think, but I felt like, you know, that trailer that we just watched or you heard it, it felt very action-packed like that trailer was really trying to get everyone pumping. But the season 2 that we got wasn’t quite like that. It was a little bit. Of how do we like all this stuff still going on? How do we sort of sort of tie up some of the loose ends and focus more in on the characters and how they go and how do they get tied up? Which was good. I really loved watching Cassie and finally getting to his idea of a spy like I’m a spy now I just adopt personalities and things and move around, and there is a rebellion going on and we’re all kind of looking each other going. Oh, yeah. But maybe I rebellion is good. No, no. OK, well.
Quinny
One character we didn’t mention from Season 1, who Karina just brought up Mon Mothma.
Dion
Who? She wasn’t very important, was she? Yes, sorry, my mother is always good. The the the second character. Well, not even the second character. I would actually say that and or is more about Mon Mothma than it is about Cassian. You know, Cassian kind of just flits around and does stuff. Mon is laser focused on getting this rebellion going, the whole thing and sacrifices, I would say way more.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the people around her as well. Like, I hated her husband.
Jill
Oh yeah. He’s a ***** ** ****.
Quinny
I hated her with the. With him, with the ******* passion.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
I was. I did read somewhere that he actually like there. There was a scene shot where it’s revealed that he knew what she was doing the whole time.
Jill
Oh.
Dion
Yeah, a deleted scene of like, why didn’t you just tell me? I would have supported you. And it’s like, yeah, but I like him as an *******. Yeah, like I prefer him.
Jill
Yeah, I think there’s more more at stake if you can’t even trust your own husband. You know, I feel like there’s more tension building there. If you’re, like, trying to keep stuff under wraps from, like, like your closest family.
Speaker
Hmm.
Jill
Members.
Quinny
Yeah. Yeah, especially your snippy little bit, your daughter.
Dion
She like.
Jill
Ohh, what a privileged ***** ** **** loves.
Dion
She was fine. She was just someone who went down tradewise like Cyril.
Quinny
He was totally trad wife. He wasn’t? Yeah.
Dion
Cyril is red pill. Joe Rogan, ************ who joins the fast no problem. But Ron Mother’s daughter was Trad wife rich person.
Quinny
Yeah, come on. Yeah. Yeah. But then, like, you know, in throughout season 1, we sort of watched Monster and we’ve seen her funneling money and making big calls and everything. I ******* loved the end of that first 3 episode arc where you just see a loser ****.
Jill
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drowning her sorrows and dancing her.
Speaker
We are.
Dion
Real some of that music, like some of this.
Jill
A little hot out.
Dion
Music you’re talking about. It’s a banger. There’s a 2 hour mix available released by Star Wars of this song.
Jill
I’m going to put on a flowy dress and just spin. Around and yeah.
Quinny
Like the thing I love about this, and this is a really bizarre piece of background to this, to music. It’s actually used multiple times throughout season 1 as well.
Jill
A couple of drinks.
Quinny
On the so the the piece of music is called neumos, which is the planet that Cassie and is on when he gets caught by the the robot and sent. To a fight. Yeah, that, that’s the first time you hear it. So there’s a thing going that basically this is just the popular song doing the rounds of the Galaxy at the.
Dion
Moment.
Jill
Ohh it’s a Chapel Rd.
Quinny
And you’re actually. Yeah, you’re hearing it all over the place and there are different versions of it. Yeah. Like the first time you hear, it’s kind of a like, you know. Almost acoustic version and then as it’s going on, this is the banger version, I swear.
Jill
Right then you get the remix and exactly.
Dion
I swear it’s on one of the the. True themes to season 1-2 because you know how, like the music slightly varies across the intro in season 1 of band or the music is.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Slightly different, but yeah, also the the one episode that doesn’t have music in Season 2 that just has the radio being tuned in. The like this is the the the random **** that you if you watch it and you don’t skip the intro, you get all these different little bits at the beginning of and and or. It’s ******* sick.
Dion
All right. I mean, you know. Look. This one mother’s story is amazing through this because most of the season 1 she is. Kind of painfully oblivious. She’s just the bank account, and she’s trusting Lutheran with all of this money to kind of you’re doing things. That’s great. Well, well, what happens, like, you know? But she doesn’t really know what’s going on. And then in season 2, you know, she’s she’s in the find out bed of the ******. Ground, which is really great. And then she’s in the no, I found out.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
And I didn’t realise exactly how bad it was when she has to escape and get out of it. And she’s confronted like, that’s, that’s a really good thing after she’s finally, like being, like, gotten out of Carson by Cassion and he just shoots the driver and keeps moving. And that was the first time the look on her face is like, Oh my God. You just kill people. It’s like, yeah. And we have to keep going. This is what we’ve been doing the whole time. Come on on. We need to leave. And she’s just a little bit like. I didn’t really realize that this was the thing that I have to do now. Like I I will. You know, I was separated from it, but. You know, Monmouth is great.
Quinny
Yeah, actually one of my favorite bits in Season 2 and it’s blink and you miss it. **** is just before that escape when she’s doing her speech to the to the entirety of the Senate. There is a point where everybody is saying turn her off turn, you know, make turn off her feed. Yeah. And I love it that there are two people who are there who are just clean. Or or maintenance or whatever, who are being yelled at by the guy. Go and get this ******* door open. You know, open this door and they’re like, oh, no, we just we repaired it like, you know, we did what was us. The the door has been repaired. He’s like well, why doesn’t it open? And they’re getting angry and and. I love that because it’s a theory of, you know, how do you, how do you get by in fascist dictatorships? Malicious compliance, yeah.
Speaker
Yes.
Dion
No, no. You you told us this was this was supposed to be locked and we locked it for you. Sir. Great. Yes. Yeah. It’s in the. It’s in the safe in the office where you told us to. Put it.
Quinny
Yeah, I love it because they are clearly, you know, rebellion of Jason or whatever they are doing, just their little bit and it’s the same as the dude on Gorman on on gore. Sorry that that works in the hotel, you know, it’s just he’s doing.
Jill
Oh yeah.
Quinny
Little bits of rebel. You know, just enough enough to say to Cassian, hey, I’ve given you the room with a view. And by the way, you’re going to have to do that because that ***** next to. Me will check you up.
Dion
Yeah. Or like I remember you. Yes, yes, I mean. It’s. Yeah, it’s fun. Like, there’s so many lovely little bits and pieces of this, but what? I’m really what I was really interested in was whether or not dedra Miro would finally catch Cassian Andor’s season 2. And you know what’s really great about that? No matter what happens, is they never get to ******* meet.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
Isn’t that kind of great and it is one of the rolling. Things that sort of happens throughout and in Rogue one because in Rogue one there is a a line in there which is when Mando. Good, good old Mando goes to Gino. So at the end. And he’s like, who are you? Right there is A and they took that and they put it back into Endor and it was a recurring sort of line through Andor to it was like who are you like? I don’t know who you are. And that’s the nature of sort of spies and cells and rebellions and and compartmentalized information is sometimes you can be totally, totally.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
Wrapped up and focused on a on a concept of a person, but you never actually meet that person because you just never do. But did you did get to meet? Yeah. Yeah. So Cyril was like, it’s you. It’s you’re the person. And he’s like, who are you? I was really hoping that he would just get so frustrated and be like the point. What is all of this? Maybe I don’t need to do this.
Quinny
Like so.
Dion
You know, you don’t even know who I am. I am pointless in the universe, even though. I tried to find a point by joining the fashion. Even though I felt useless.
Jill
Yeah, it does feel like Cyril was kind of coming to some kind of realization, I think so towards his demise there and yeah, disappointing to not see it, but also, I mean **** happens.
Quinny
Yeah, it’s. I love that. Because. Yeah, I think that that last scene or couple of scenes with him was him going. Oh, ****. I have been played by the Empire. Yeah. And I have been given respect by these other people, the gore and. ****. I’ve sold them out. I’m. I’m the bad one here. I I. Yeah, you can see him really changing where he is. And there’s I honestly think. If he hadn’t seen Cassian. I think he would have just continued on and probably gone to fight alongside them or.
Jill
Yeah, possibly he could have switched sides.
Quinny
Yeah, but he didn’t. He saw Cassian and.
Dion
I mean, this was so interesting, too, watching Cyril, who thought that he was doing something really cool for the empire by getting in and getting information. Like a real, honest to go spy finds out he’s getting played the entire time by his, by his.
Jill
His girlfriend.
Speaker
Girlfriend.
Jill
One of my most favorite things about the season 2 is the world building that they did with Gorman, so they they mirrored this planet on a a World War 2 era French town.Quinny
Mike.
Jill
You know, it’s
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