Holiday Listening: Learning from the mighty matriarchs of the animal kingdom

Erna Walraven was one of the first female zookeepers to work at Sydney's Taronga Zoo in the 1980s. Despite practical jokes from her male colleagues, like animal dung in her gumboots, Erna kept her nerve.

She was born in The Netherlands, to parents who were involved in the Dutch resistance during World War II.

Erna's love of languages took her to Spain, where she lived for many years with her widowed sister and young nephew.

It was there she met a penniless Australian backpacker and fell in love, starting Erna on the path to the rest of her life.

Erna's memoir Hear Me Roar is published by Affirm Press.

This episode was produced by Alice Moldovan. The executive producer of Conversations is Nicola Harrison

It covers mothers, animals, sex, mating behaviours, feminism, animal kingdom, Dutch resistance, world war 2, Taronga Zoo, Spain, sisters, family, memoir, writing, The Netherlands, grief, zoology, animal behaviour, offspring, nature, zoos

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