After a tragic shooting in Washington, D.C., Thomas and Aimen trace the story back to Afghanistan and to the CIA-backed Zero Units that carried out some of the coalition’s most clandestine kill-or-capture missions.
They discuss:
The November 2025 D.C. shooting and the alleged link to a former Zero Unit operative
What the Zero Units were designed to do and why they were so controversial
Afghanistan's geography of terrorism and counterterrorism
The lifelong psychological damage caused by black ops
After a tragic shooting in Washington, D.C., Thomas and Aimen trace the story back to Afghanistan and to the CIA-backed Zero Units that carried out some of the coalition’s most clandestine kill-or-capture missions.
They discuss:
- The November 2025 D.C. shooting and the alleged link to a former Zero Unit operative
- What the Zero Units were designed to do and why they were so controversial
- Afghanistan's geography of terrorism and counterterrorism
- The lifelong psychological damage caused by black ops
- How the Doha Agreement sidelined the US’s Afghan partners
- The halfway house vetting pipeline through German
- The problem of PTSD, monitoring, and support for both Afghan allies and U.S. veterans
- Whether America can fight future wars if local allies believe they’ll be left behind
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