What Happens When A Church Builds A Prison Out Of Policy - Secrets of Scientology #2 w/ Mat Pesch

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A “rehabilitation” unit that looks like a labor camp, a policy that promises rest and study while people lie on foam pads after all-nighters, and a workforce that builds studios, refaces Big Blue, and even handles VIP logistics—this is the RPF as told by those who lived it. Marc and Mat pull apart Flag Order 3434RB line by line, then hold it up to the light of real conditions: black uniforms, isolation from crew, silence rules, and the RPF’s RPF—punishment inside punishment. If you’ve ever wondered how a religious order justifies a prison within its walls, this conversation connects the policy to the practice.

Mat spent 27 years in the Sea Org and served on the RPF twice, eventually running the LA unit. He describes being flown, traded, and repurposed as a “coin” to satisfy manpower demands. We walk through assignment triggers like “rock slams” on the e-meter, and the wave of faulty devices that sent dozens at a time to the program. We look at twinning—where your fate is bound to someone else’s—and how transfers or escapes reset hard-won progress. And we dig into the ledger: quarter pay that sometimes became zero, weaponized reports, and meals scavenged after the main crew ate first.

The episode traces major moments: the International Base construction push, the Portland Crusade where RPFers slipped into suits to run logistics and PR, and an “impossible” Christmas deadline to water blast, reglaze, and polish the vast Big Blue complex—met anyway. Along the way, we talk about minors on the RPF, family separation, security checks, and the relentless information control that keeps each base in the dark. On paper, Hubbard’s policy lists rights. In practice, the system harvested labor and obedience while calling it redemption.

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