Beyond the Backlash| Up for Discussion with Mary Frances Winters

In this episode of Up for Discussion, we are joined by Mary-Frances Winters, founder and CEO of The Winters Group Inc., a global diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice consulting firm. An acclaimed author and recognised DE&I trailblazer, Mary-Frances brings decades of experience advocating for justice and equity. She shares her unique perspective shaped by coming of age during the civil rights movement and her extensive work advancing inclusive leadership worldwide. Throughout the episode, we explore several key areas: Mary-Frances discusses the current backlash against DE&I efforts in the U.S., unpacking the misconceptions about affirmative action and “reverse discrimination,” and why inclusion benefits everyone. We hear about the ongoing challenges organisations face in creating truly equitable workplaces, including unconscious bias and the importance of recognising diverse experiences — from race and gender to neurodiversity. Mary-Frances emphasises the critical role of empathy and dialogue in bridging divides and engaging dominant groups in DE&I work. She shares candid reflections on systemic inequities and the global nature of these challenges, including how political climates impact progress. Join us for a powerful and hopeful conversation that offers deep insights into advancing diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice in today’s complex world. Tune in now!