[Bonus] W. Kamau Bell interviews Prentis about What it Takes to Heal

In this bonus episode, the seats are turned as W. Kamau Bell interviews Prentis about their book What it Takes to Heal. 

These two dig into the complexities of being a middle child, why healing is often dismissed as "soft" or seen as an individualistic pursuit, and make the case that real healing is rooted in community. They also talk candidly about shame versus guilt, actual accountability, and how belonging has to remain intact for real transformation to happen.

This conversation was recorded in July 2024 at the California Institute of Integral Studies - you can watch the full book tour on our Youtube Channel.

Check out Prentis’ book: What It Takes to Heal: How Transforming Ourselves Can Change the World

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The Becoming the People Podcast Team:

• Producers: Prentis Hemphill & devon de Leña
• Sound Engineer and Editing: Michael Maine
• Original Music: Mayyadda