The Eighth Rule – Discernment of Spirits w/ Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcast

The 14 Rules of the Discernment of Spirits with Fr. Timothy Gallagher with Kris McGregor Episode Ten: Rule Eight – Patience in Time of Spiritual Desolation

Episode 10 -The Eighth Rule:

Let him who is in desolation labor to be in patience, which is contrary to the vexations which come to him: and let him think that he will soon be consoled, employing against the desolation the devices, as is said in the sixth Rule.

Episode Ten of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free focuses on Rule Eight, which teaches that patience is the key virtue in time of spiritual desolation. Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains how Ignatian patience is not passive endurance but an active, hope-filled perseverance.

Fr. Gallagher begins by clarifying what Ignatius means by patience. The word comes from the Latin patior, meaning to suffer, to bear, and to endure without giving up. In desolation, patience means staying the course. Prayer continues even when it feels dry. Commitments remain even when energy is gone. Love is chosen even when it requires great effort.

To illustrate this virtue, Fr. Gallagher turns to the spiritual journal of Elizabeth Leseur. In the midst of physical suffering, emotional struggle, and deep interior darkness, Elizabeth writes of a will unshakably turned toward God. Though she feels no consolation, she continues in prayer, work, charity, and love. Her example reveals the deep strength that patience forms in the soul.

Fr. Gallagher explains that Rule Eight applies in very concrete situations. A person begins a time of prayer and immediately feels dryness. Everything urges shortening the prayer or giving up altogether. Another feels tempted to withdraw from a parish commitment or retreat that once brought great joy. In these moments, Ignatius gives clear guidance. Stay. Finish. Do not abandon what was freely chosen before the desolation began.

Ignatius then offers a powerful help for perseverance. The person in desolation is to think that consolation will soon return. Desolation lies by telling the heart that the darkness will last forever. Ignatius counters this lie with truth. Consolation does return. It returns much sooner than desolation suggests.

Fr. Gallagher uses a striking image to explain this. Two patients experience similar discomfort. One is told healing will take weeks. The other is told relief will come tomorrow. The second endures far more easily. In the same way, hope sustains patience when the heart knows desolation will pass.

The episode also clarifies an important distinction. Rule Eight does not describe the dark night spoken of by St. John of the Cross. The dark night is a purifying work of God and must be accepted. Spiritual desolation, by contrast, is the work of the enemy and must be resisted. Most people experience ordinary spiritual desolation, not the dark night.

Fr. Gallagher emphasizes that alternation between consolation and desolation is normal in the spiritual life. No one is exempt. There is no shame in desolation. Growth occurs on both sides of this movement. Consolation strengthens love and clarity. Desolation, when resisted with patience, strengthens perseverance and maturity.

The episode concludes by returning to Ignatius’s central insight. Patience in desolation is an act of faith and hope. It chooses truth over feeling. When patience is joined to prayer, examination, and small acts of courage, desolation loses its power. Consolation returns. The heart grows strong. Captives are set free.

Discerning Hearts Questions for Reflection and Study Personal Reflection

1. How do you usually respond when prayer feels dry or difficult?

2. Have you noticed thoughts urging you to give up during discouragement?

3. What helps you stay faithful when spiritual energy is low?

4. How does remembering that desolation will pass affect your perseverance?

5. Where might God be inviting you to practice patience today?

Group Reflection or Study

1. Why does Ignatius call patience the key virtue in desolation?

2. How does Elizabeth Leseur’s example illuminate Rule Eight?

3. Why is hope essential for perseverance in spiritual struggle?

4. How does this rule protect parish leaders and volunteers from burnout?

5. What practices help communities remain faithful during difficult seasons?

 The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –
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Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola

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