Pocket Squares, Courtrooms, and Compassion: Seth Crabtree & Mike Giamo Join the Show

This week, Melissa and Susan sit down with Seth Crabtree and Mike Giamo of Crabtree & Patterson Law Firm for a rare four-person conversation that connects the worlds of therapy and criminal defense. They talk about what it’s like to meet people at the worst moments of their lives, how attorneys compartmentalize heavy cases, why clarity often beats sugarcoating, and what “winning” really means when real lives are on the line. Plus: burnout, boundaries, stress outlets, and a few laughs along the way.

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