Nine Lives With Jeff King: Live Your Best One

"How Long is the Arc?" featuring David Hayward

In this honest and heartfelt conversation, I sit down with David Hayward — also known as The Naked Pastor — to explore his journey of self-discovery, healing, and creative expression. David opens up about his path through discouragement, his passion for social justice, and how discovering he leads with Enneagram Type Four felt like a "born again" moment that brought him home to himself. We talk about art, music, writing, and the emotional toll of standing up for what's right. Known for his powerful cartoons and bold honesty, David continues to inspire with his vulnerability and vision. Tune in for a moving episode about purpose, transformation, and asking the big question: how long is the arc of justice? Find David (The Naked Pastor) at nakedpastor.com or on your favorite social platform.

"Learning to Fully Receive" featuring Kathy Escobar

Kathy Escobar returns to Nine LIves to explore the joys and struggles of living in community—especially through the lens of an Enneagram Two. She opens up about learning to set boundaries, navigating faith shifts, and the deeply personal journey of learning to receive help. In this powerful episode, Kathy shares how the loss of her son to suicide continues to shape her story and her ongoing evolution. She speaks candidly about grief, healing, and the loss of a faith community—and how those experiences have deepened her understanding of compassion and connection. Kathy highlights the crucial stretch for Enneagram Twos: receiving help from others. Kathy draws from the nurturing nature of Type 2 to create safe, authentic spaces through The Refuge in Denver and CommunityHeals, which she co-leads with her husband, Jose. She's also the author of several books, including her latest: Turning Over Tables: A Lenten Call for Disrupting Power. Learn more at kathyescobar.com and communityheals.com.

"Being at Home with Accomplishments" featuring Leslie Quilico

Leslie Quilico offers an honest and insightful look at life through the lens of an Enneagram Type Three. While Threes are known for their drive and success, Leslie shares how she's learning that there is more to life. That said, she's also learning to embrace her drive for meaningful accomplishment. A natural achiever, she admits: "If we can make it a competition, it will be more fun!" — yet she challenges herself (and us) to stay grounded in what really matters. As a leadership coach and Certified TrustCentric Guide, Leslie blends Enneagram wisdom with her passion for trust-building, especially among women leaders and small businesses. She drops gems like: ✨ "Everyone can have a PhD in doing what you say you're going to do." ✨ "If you're willing to do the work at work, it affects your whole life." ✨ "Trust is simple—follow through with your promises." Connect with Leslie on LinkedIn, Instagram, or Facebook, or reach her at lesliequilico@gmail.com or leslie@trustcentricconsulting.com.

"I Have a Big Heart; I'm Just Intense" with Deborah Baldwin

Enneagram Eight energy is on full display in this episode with author and award-winning drama teacher Deborah Baldwin. With a no-nonsense approach and big-picture leadership, Deb is all about meaningful work and cutting through the noise. Her passion for theater education shines in her book, We're Live! Radio Theater #101, which brings a fresh, engaging approach to teaching drama through the exciting genre of radio theater. Though she calls herself a newcomer to the Enneagram, Deborah puts on a clinic in understanding Type Eight. She's driven, bold, and unafraid to take charge. She leads with confidence, pushes for results, and struggles with those who get stuck in negativity. We also see the often-overlooked tender side of the Enneagram Eight. Deb exemplifies how self-awareness and personal growth leads to balance, integration, and a deeper sense of purpose. Her book is available on Amazon Check out dramamommaspeaks.com to fine additional teaching resources. Follow her on social media at #dramamommaspeaks.

"Return to Presence" with Brian Mueller

Brian Mueller on the Enneagram One Journey Brian Mueller shares his experience as an Enneagram One, exploring the inner critic's powerful call to "do the right thing." Brian discusses how recognizing his Type One structure helps him regulate it, using awareness and practice to avoid being confined by his Type. Brian also highlights the ongoing work of returning to presence—not just getting grounded, but continually regrounding. He helps men discover identity and purpose through powerfully unique processes through Illuman. Find his poetry at brianmueller.com. Find his work with spiritual formation at Choosing Presence.