The Marketing Millennials

The Truth About Audience Building in Marketing with Marc Sirkin, Growth Consultant and Former CEO of Third Door Media| Ep. 393

Growing an audience is easy. Turning that audience into a real business is the part most marketers completely miss. And if you don’t understand the difference, you’re already behind. In this episode, Daniel sits down with Marc Sirkin, former CEO of Third Door Media and longtime builder behind brands like MarTech.org and Search Engine Land, to unpack what it really takes to grow a media company….and why eyeballs don’t automatically equal revenue. From why viral reach doesn’t guarantee conversions, to the danger of chasing new revenue streams too early, Marc shares lessons from decades of building audiences across nonprofits, publishing, and modern B2B marketing. They also dive into why performance marketing has warped how we measure success, how brand is becoming the last true moat in an AI-driven world, and why consistency beats chasing the next shiny tactic. If you’re a marketer trying to build trust, create sustainable growth, and avoid optimizing for the wrong metrics, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Marc: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcsirkin/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

The Practical Playbook for Starting TV in 2026, with Donna Lazaro from Gabb

TV isn’t just for billion-dollar brands anymore. And if you still think it is, you’re already behind. In this new mini-series brought to you by Tatari, Daniel sits down with Donna Lazaro (Senior Director of Brand Media at Gabb) and Anna O’Neill (Customer Success Team Lead, Platform at Tatari), to break down how modern brands are using linear and connected TV to drive real, measurable growth. From why Gabb added TV in 2023 to scale awareness and credibility, to treating TV like a performance channel instead of just a brand play, they unpack what TV actually looks like in 2026 and beyond. They dive into creative testing, halo impact across Meta and Google, measuring incrementality, scaling during moments like back-to-school and holiday, and why consistent brand presence wins long-term. If you’re a marketer wondering whether TV is still out of reach (or how to make it measurable and performance-driven) this is the episode for YOU. Tatari helps brands run TV like a modern performance channel. Unlike most platforms that focus only on programmatic CTV, Tatari gives marketers access to all of TV - linear, streaming, programmatic CTV, and direct publisher inventory - in one platform. By combining premium inventory with transparent reporting and outcome-based measurement, Tatari lets growth teams evaluate TV the same way they evaluate paid search or paid social. The result: more control, better reach, and TV spend that can actually be tied back to business results. Learn more at http://bit.ly/40kwEAQ Follow Donna: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donna-lazaro-1a1173192/ Follow Anna: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-oneil/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

The Attribution Strategy Every Marketer Should Use | Bathroom Break #95

Attribution is one of the most talked-about topics in marketing…and also one of the most misleading. Jay and Daniel explain why most attribution models are basically garbage, especially last-touch attribution, and why marketers keep over-investing in channels like Google Search simply because they get the final click. Jay walks through one of the most underused measurement tactics in marketing: holdout groups, where you intentionally exclude part of your audience from campaigns to measure real lift. Daniel adds the simplest attribution hack of all: just asking customers where they heard about you. If you’re tired of dashboards that tell you what you want to hear instead of what’s real, this episode Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

Why Community is the Future of Marketing with Chanel Clark, Founder of The Marketing Club | Ep. 392

Community isn’t a buzzword, it’s one of the most powerful growth engines in Marketing. And if you’re not building one, you’re already behind. Daniel sits down with Chanel Clark, founder of The Marketing Club, to unpack how she accidentally turned one LinkedIn post into a community of over 15,000 Marketers across Australia and New Zealand. From growing a Slack group into real-life events, to keeping engagement high as the community scales, to figuring out when (and how) to start charging, Chanel shares the behind-the-scenes playbook for building something people genuinely want to belong to. They also dive into why community is an owned channel, what makes events actually valuable, and why the future of Marketing is human connection - both online and IRL. If you’re a marketer who wants to build deeper relationships, stronger networks, and a brand people rally around, this is the episode for YOU. https://customer.io helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at https://customer.io/tmm Follow Chanel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chanel-clark/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What Growth Actually Looks Like at a Legacy Brand with Doug VandeVelde, Chief Growth Officer at WK Kellogg | Ep. 391

The Super Bowl isn’t the finish line. It’s the starting point. Daniel sits down with Doug VandeVelde, Chief Growth Officer at WK Kellogg, to break down why Raisin Bran is making a Super Bowl appearance and why fiber is the next big cultural and consumer shift in health. From spotting early consumer signals, to turning a Super Bowl ad into a year-long growth strategy, to choosing William Shatner as the face of the campaign, Doug unpacks how legacy brands stay relevant at the biggest stage in marketing. They also dive into what success actually looks like beyond the Big Game, how Kellogg integrates marketing, product, and distribution under a growth lens, and why transparency is the marketing hill Doug would die on. If you’re a marketer curious how iconic brands evolve, spot trends early, and turn attention into long-term growth, this is the episode for YOU.  ⁠https://customer.io⁠ helps brands turn data into personalized messages that actually connect, across email, SMS, and beyond. Learn more at ⁠https://customer.io/tmm⁠ Follow Doug: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doug-vandevelde/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com