The Rural Towns Project Podcast

The Rural Towns Project Podcast

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In the Rural Towns Project Podcast, Dax Jacobson combines his day job as a business professor with his love for the rural American West he grew up in. He talks to the people who are actually trying to make a living in - and to the researchers, artists, and others inspired by - the rural towns of the American West. He hopes to help himself and others understand the past, appreciate the present, and positively impact the future of rural towns and the American West.

Episode List

Running an arts, architecture, and rural investment nonprofit (Epicenter), building homes, and avoiding booms and busts in Green River (UT) with Maria Sykes

Nov 9th, 2025 11:00 PM

In this episode, I talk to Maria Sykes, Co-Founder & Executive Director of Epicenter (https://ruralandproud.org/) in Green River, UT. Maria shares with me how and why she came to Green River from the Deep South 16 years ago and why she stays. We talk about the nonprofit Maria co-founded and leads, Epicenter, and its focus on art, affordable housing, and rural investment in Green River. Maria describes art residencies and events, like Green River Rocks, and housing design and development through programs like Fix-it First, Frontier House and Canal Commons. We talk about development that takes time and avoids booms and busts and Maria gives a great playbook for communities to follow to develop their own Epicenter as well as advice that all funding agencies should follow. We end, as always, with the Road Trip Music Quesion.Podcast music: “A Happy Day” by codemusic, http://www.jamendo.com, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

Barrel racing, teaching, and being a rural entrepreneur with Markie Vetere in Green River (UT).

Oct 27th, 2025 4:00 PM

In this episode, I talk to Markie Vetere, teacher, barrel racer, and entrepreneur in Green River (UT). Markie talks about how she balances those three passions and how they influence and reinforce each other. Markie talks about the importance of loving the kids she teaches, giving them experiences, and showing them what is possible. She talks about how and why she started her business - Rare Renegade Boutique - and the importance to her of being authentic and supporting local. Markie gets real about the challenges of growth (like trying to find a store front or even a physical presence) and understanding her market of fellow working women. We end with learning about Markie’s horses and with the Road Trip Music Question and some suggestions to get us through long barrel racing road trips.Podcast music: “A Happy Day” by codemusic, http://www.jamendo.com, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

Talking Planes, Trains, Automobiles…and Melons and Butch Cassidy with Edward Castro Bennett, City Manager for Green River (UT)

Sep 24th, 2025 4:00 PM

In this episode, I talk to Edward Castro Bennett, Green River (UT) City Manager. Edward explains how he came to be city manager (it includes having Green River roots, his economic development background, and LinkedIn actually working). We talk about Green River’s history and future as part of the Wild West (connections to Butch Cassidy, John Wesley Powell, and of course, melons and Ray’s Tavern). Edward highlights Green River’s potential as a transportation hub (planes - a municipal airport, trains - one of only 4 Amtrak stops in Utah, and automobiles - right off I70) and how he is focused on listening, building trust, and representing Green River and other rural small Utah towns. We end with very fitting, and classic, Road Trip Music choices.Podcast music: “A Happy Day” by codemusic, http://www.jamendo.com, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

Time traveling with Louis Williams (Navajo river guide and owner of Ancient Wayves) in Bluff (UT), Bears Ears, and beyond to connect with earth, air, fire, and water

Sep 7th, 2025 11:00 PM

In this episode, I talk to Louis Williams, river and backcountry guide and owner of Ancient Wayves (the only indigenous owned and operated outfit commercially permitted to provide guided tours within the Bears Ears National Monument). Louis shares how he caught the river guiding bug (through a Navajo friend in Bluff, UT), branching out on his own, and how it’s community that sustains him and his growing business. Louis explains that what he really does with clients on guided trips is time travel and help people connect with the land and his language and culture - the ancient ways! He wants people to understand the importance of preservation, conservation, and education and he is hoping to inspire both guests and other Navajo entrepreneurs. We end with a favorite place (Goosenecks!) and a native band recommendation (Native Roots) for the Road Trip Music.Podcast music: “A Happy Day” by codemusic, http://www.jamendo.com, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

I was amazed by the night skies in Bluff (UT). It turns out Bluff is a Dark Sky Community. I talk to Sarah Burak (Education Director for the Bears Ears Partnership) about dark skies, what a Dark Sky designation means, and about Bears Ears tourism

Aug 24th, 2025 7:00 PM

In this episode, I talk to Sarah Burak (Education Director for the Bears Ears Partnership) about what brought her to the Bluff (UT) area from Alabama and why she never left. We talk about her journey to the Bears Ears Partnership and what she does in her current role as Education Director. We talk about what a Dark Sky designation means and requires (a commitment to dark skies, education, and monitoring light pollution) and what it can do for a community like Bluff. Sarah also shares the Dark Sky initiatives she and her colleagues are working on (field trips for elementary schools, star parties, a Night Sky Festival, and Dark Sky Ambassadors - go be one, you don’t have to be local to Bluff!). We also talk about the increased interest in Bears Ears and the importance of visiting with respect and working with Native American tribes. Sarah shares a surprising but awesome favorite place (along with Natural Bridges National Monument) and we end, as always, with the Road Trip Music Question.Podcast music: “A Happy Day” by codemusic, http://www.jamendo.com, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

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