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Episode 264: Podcast Plebicide

Jun 19th, 2026 7:30 PM

Podcasting 2.0 June 19th 2026 Episode 264 - "Podcast Plebicide" ShowNotes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Justin Jackson's post: We Have A Communication Problem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 00 - PODPING.ALPHA STABLE + INDEX / PV-ALPHA HYGIENE Milestone: Dave — "I think we can safely say that podping.alpha is stable now. It's been many weeks of 100% uptime." Lead the boardroom with the win. PV-alpha 500s: @mitch + Dave debugging the "get a list of feeds that have updates over the last X" endpoint throwing 500s; @mitch adding a delay between paginated requests in case it's a too-many-requests block. Feed de-listing puzzle: Dave to @ChadF — a feed marked dead with no spam flag; aggregators de-listing it for some other reason. Open question. Iroh 1.0 — Dave flagged it: "Dialing keys instead of IP addresses." p2p networking, boardroom catnip — worth a riff with Dave. Discussion: also surface your own snags — Sovereignfeeds webhook "Unknown Error sending to Server" and ladder.podcastindex.org appearing down (to @StevenB / Dave). Iroh 1.0 Release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - SPAM + AI-SLOP — TOWARD A "SPAM-COP SCORE" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - MEASUREMENT: AMP'S 30-SECOND "PLAY," ROUND TWO AMP defined a "play" as 30 seconds; Spotify immediately adopted it. You and Dave already called 30s "bullshit" last week — push total listen time + percent-completed as the real metrics. The walkback: AMP's original press release said "30 seconds of content played… once per user per session" — and quietly DELETED "once per user per session," leaving a woolier definition. James flagged it on-page with the HTML5 del tag. YouTube is in AMP: Google confirmed YouTube "has been participating in the AMP-led conversations" — implies YouTube uses a 30s play. Apple's stance still unknown. RSS.com test (Alberto): moving the DOWNLOAD threshold 60s to 30s changed totals by ~1% — negligible. So 30s for both plays and downloads is just simpler. The HLS gotcha: playing 10s of an HLS video podcast still downloads ~60-72s, so server logs can't tell real play — only player-side instrumentation (Spotify, future Apple) can. James: it's all too "cloak and dagger." Watch July: AMP's implementation doc is due July and the group is light on technical people — needs to be real technical work, "not a sales press release." Understanding podcast stats (PodNews) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - BEYOND CPM — INDIE + MISSION-DRIVEN ECONOMICS Losh Moodaley ("Beyond CPM"): the indie middle class (5k-25k downloads = only ~1-1.5% of all podcasts) can't survive on CPMs. Roadmap: audience-as-economy, sell exclusivity not inventory, scale outcomes not audiences, "owners of trust, not renters of attention." Pure V4V-adjacent framing — Sam Sethi tied it straight to TrueFans activity-based value (a share or comment is value, not just dollars) and "creator portals." Easy on-ramp to your worldview. Vox Topica (Richard Fall): full-stack agency for nonprofits/mission-driven orgs — speaks engagement/reach/"depth of message," not downloads. Nonprofits resist AI voices (authenticity) but use AI for scripts/cleanup/show notes; now recommends video to ALL clients. Beyond CPM: Surviving the New Measurement Era (PodNews Daily) Vox Topica ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - NUMBERS + MONEY MOVES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - AI BUBBLE / EDGE COMPUTE — DATACENTER WATER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - CROSS-STORY: COMMODORE FLIP-PHONE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 07 - QUIPS / TRANSITIONS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last Modified 06/19/2026 14:30:08 by Freedom Controller

Episode 263: Chat is Dead

Jun 12th, 2026 7:22 PM

Podcasting 2.0 June 12th 2026 Episode 263 - "Chat is Dead" ShowNotes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DG Editor - Building an idiot proof recording system for Bridge Church ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 00 - THE USER-AGENT WAR — SPOOF vs. SIGN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - THE PODCAST DATA COLLECTIVE (PCDC) — and Pod News reacts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - MEASUREMENT RECKONING — AMP's 30-SECOND "PLAY" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - PODCAST STANDARDS PROJECT vs 2.0 — and Index hygiene ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - APPLE WWDC — VIDEO PODCASTS EVERYWHERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - AI BUBBLE — FINANCIAL ENGINEERING + LOCAL/EDGE COMPUTE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - INDUSTRY — AD-SKIPPING, AI LIABILITY, GROWTH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last Modified 06/12/2026 14:21:15 by Freedom Controller

Episode 262: Podcleanse

Jun 5th, 2026 7:39 PM

Podcasting 2.0 June 5th 2026 Episode 262 - "Podcleanse" Dave and Adam are joined by John Spurlock and throw a big idea into the boardroom: The Podcast Data Collective Shownotes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Spurlock - Guest The man behind op3.dev and Livewire.io - From the Great State of New Jersey! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - THE IMPRESSION HEIST — AMP TASK FORCE RATIFIES 4 EXPOSURE DEFINITIONS, NO DISSENTING VOTES Podnews press release Jun 4: AMP Task Force Introduces Cross-Platform Alternative to the Podcast "Download" — "unified impression guidance for audio and video, advancing impression-based measurement as the medium's primary transaction currency." Four exposure definitions ratified. JS Jun 4 quote: "the AMP Task Force ratified a new framework with four exposure definitions, with no dissenting votes." Podcast Play: 30 seconds of content played, audio or video, once per user per session. Podcast Audience: The number of unique users who had a Podcast Play. Ad Impression: A commercial begins playing for the user. Ad Audience: The number of users exposed to an Ad Impression. They wanted to 'hasten the demand' Backstory: AMP first emerged May 29 (Podnews) — same day PC20-261 aired — "to confront podcasting's measurement dilemma." @dave reaction Jun 4 16:12: "RE: [Podnews AMP story] More secretive, back room podcast 'industry' nonsense." PNWR Jun 5 confirms the cabal-composition critique — James and Sam open the show debating AMP. James: "they also want to define what an impression is" + "we don't have a definition of podcast." Sam: "I don't think podcasting is [defined], we can measure consumption." PNWR catches the gaps [0:09:00-0:09:30]: "Spotify yes, Acast no, Art19 missing… Apple is already doing that. Apple is already being cut [out]." Same observation @dave made — who's in the room and who isn't. @js replies @dave on AMP Jun 4: "@dave Dave there were no dissenting votes" — Mastodon-thread confirmation that JS + Dave are on the same page about the consensus-by-cabal red flag. Discussion: V4V counter-thesis — No Agenda is value-for-value (no impressions, no exposures). Open standards vs industry cabals. PNWR is independent-podcaster-aligned; AMP is platform-aligned. Podnews AMP Jun 4 press release Podnews AMP origin May 29 @dave Jun 4 reaction post JS Jun 4 quote post PNWR this week (Pod News Weekly Review) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - THE OPEN COUNTERPART — PODCAST INDEX ISSUE #775 (PNWR + @DAVE BOTH ON IT) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - THE WHY BEHIND IMPRESSIONS — "THE FIRST FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - THE PODCASTING 2.0 DATA COLLECTIVE — THE OPEN ANSWER TO AMP The Podcasting 2.0 Data Collective — the open, V4V-aligned answer to the AMP cabal. Not a consortium with ratified definitions and trade-press releases. A collective of open tools and honest sentinels: OP3 for analytics, Podverse + newpodcasts.net for corpus data, Podcast Index for the namespace, Issue #775 for client identification done right. Matthew 5:6 (KJV): "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." The verse that frames the work. Open data, transparent measurement, value-for-value — righteousness in podcast governance. Those who hunger for it are the ones who'll be filled. The AMP cabal trades righteousness for an ad-tech seat at the table; the Data Collective just keeps the lights on. THE CHARTER — Adam's working document, June 5 2026 We hold more power than we give ourselves credit for. Definition of a Podcast: Syndicated delivery of media files with precise consumption data for all stakeholders. What we brought in (the Podcasting 2.0 namespace contributions): Transcripts Chapters Funding (V4V) Person Location …etc. Statistical relevance: Advertising is based on percentages. Collectively we have about 10% of all apps — statistically enough to be relevant. Godcaster app tracing proves we can measure important metrics. Data to aggregate and display: Follows Plays per episode Completion rate by time Strategy: Become the authoritative source by publishing open stats Monetize We will not be loved initially by the industry, because we will have the truth. Advertisers will love us though, as will Podcasters. Monetization: Data subscriptions Resellers (DJL) Ad Networks Podcasters themselves (consideration) Podcast Index has built the trust needed to house this data. We already have a data exchange relationship with the apps. op3.dev is critical in this equation to offset the old system for correlation. OP3 full podcast support landed this week [PNWR 1:53:00-1:54:30] — OP3.dev now has full episode-level + show-level analytics support for podcasts. Spec work also moving on private feeds (insecure feeds spec). Direct relevance to V4V infrastructure. @dave → @james Jun 5 11:50: "Do you have the daily lists that show up on newpodcasts.net available anywhere as a download? I'd love the full, historical list of feed urls that have appeared there if possible." Open-data request — corpus curation theme. @dave → @mitch May 30: "Would you be able to send me a flat list of all the feed urls in Podverse which have more than X number of subscribers/followers? Let's say more than 5?" Podverse data request — corpus quality. Anchor FM RSS restoration request — Fri 11:01 email to NA inbox (Lusso Lets). Listener can't retrieve feed data from Podcast Index. Adjacent infra beat — the unsung user-facing pain of corpus indexing. Discussion: corpus curation as a steady-state job (Dave's sentinel work) vs measurement standards (the AMP cabal) — which one keeps the ecosystem honest? The Data Collective doesn't ratify, it just shows up to maintain. Hunger and thirst. They shall be filled. OP3.dev — open podcast analytics ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - CAPTIVATE LAUNCHES DAX US — THE IMPRESSION ECONOMY IRL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - BBC GOES ALL-IN ON CROSSED WIRES YEAR 3 — IPLAYER DEAL + "EDINBURGH OF PODCASTING" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 07 - STREAMING CONSOLIDATION — YOUTUBE MUSIC + TUBI + NETFLIX ALL WANT "PODCAST" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 08 - SUPPLY CHAIN SECURITY — VS CODE DELAYS, PHP FOUNDATION, SLSA LEVEL 3 IS NOT ENOUGH ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 09 - AI BUBBLE PC20-FLAVOR — TOTO CHUCKS, MOTHER COMPUTERS, "NO 'I', ONLY MATH" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 - QUIPS / TRANSITIONS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last Modified 06/05/2026 14:38:09 by Freedom Controller

Episode 261: Podhemian Grove

May 29th, 2026 7:06 PM

Podcasting 2.0 May 29th 2026 Episode 261 - "Podhemian Grove" Podcasting 2.0 May 29th 2026 Episode 261 - "Podhemian Grove" Mike Dell joined the board room to help Adam and Dave with the solution to the Secret Pdcast Group's Problems. Download the mp3 Podcast Feed PodcastIndex.org Preservepodcasting.com Check out the podcasting 2.0 apps and services newpodcastapps.com Support us with your Time Talent and Treasure Show Notes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - ALLIANCE FOR MEASUREMENT IN PODCASTING — Podnews press release this morning: Alliance for Measurement in Podcasting (AMP) launches. Industry consortium for podcast measurement standards. Dave reblog with snark (May 29): "They want better app metrics for their ad-tech but the only 'app' in their council is Spotify. 😆 There's a right way to do this IMO, but this is not it." Discussion: measurement standards written by/for ad-tech — what would Dave's "right way" look like? Podcast Index neutrality vs industry-coalition co-opting. Podnews AMP press release Dave's reblog ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - SPOTIFY INVESTOR DAY — CREATOR MEMBERSHIPS (PATREON KILLER) + CLIPS + AGENTIC AI ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - BIPOC PODCAST CREATORS CLOSES — DEI FUNDING COLLAPSE → COMMUNITY ORG OFFLINE BIPOC Podcast Creators (American podcast org for Black/Indigenous/People of Color creators) closes. PNWR interviews the co-founders 00:27:00 → 00:43:00. Co-founder reflection: "the beginning of our podcast careers… feeling really…" DEI funding pulled by new government (00:31:30): "we started to see a decline in the investment." Direct call to platforms (00:36:00): "What is Spotify going to do? What is Apple, you…" Legacy framing (00:39:00, 00:40:30): "You two created the first and the largest…" / "We made a mark in the history of this industry." Discussion: DEI-funding-collapse → community-org-closure pattern. Platforms' responsibility to creator communities they don't host. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - DAVE'S PACKAGE-MANAGER-SUPPLY-CHAIN-ATTACKS RIFF — "OSS WEAPONIZED BY AI" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - LEO EMBRACES PODCASTING 2.0 — MAGIC CHAPTERS FOR CLUB TWIT MEMBERS Drebscott observation May 28: Leo has finally embraced Podcasting 2.0 — added podcast: tags to TWiT shows. Paid Club TWiT members get chapters and don't get the funding tag. Paid Members get podcast:chapters; others get free podcast:funding. Dave (May 28 multiple posts): "I noticed it too. It makes me feel valued as a TWiT club subscriber. Having chapters makes my WW and SN listening so much more enjoyable. I'm very thankful for it." Dave: "I wanted to use magic chapters in my Castamatic but my iPhone 13 doesn't support the needed APIs. And, like you, I was pleasantly surprised when one day they showed up!" Nathan working on podcast:image support for Podlink — asking for feed examples that already support it (May 28). Discussion: differentiated namespace use by membership tier — clever segmentation. Compare to Spotify Creator Memberships (above) — Leo's RSS-native paywall vs Spotify's on-platform paywall. Drebscott observation Nathan podcast:image ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - RSS-AS-BLOG + + THREADED CONVERSATIONS IN RSS — DAVE + @FAHRNI THREAD ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 07 - JS SPURLOCK SPOTLIGHT — FLIGHTCAST H.265 + SIGNED-HLS PUSHBACK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 08 - POD ROLL ATLAS + /DATASETS — STATUS CHECK FROM PC20-260 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 09 - TRUEFANS RSS PAYMENT METADATA BUGS (JS NAMESPACE QC) JS Spurlock to @samsethi May 16: truefans RSS payment metadata has field-naming bugs. Flagged against PR #734. Bug list: "podcast" should be "feed_title"; missing required "split" + "timestamp" fields; "episode_guid" should be "item_guid"; "episode" should be "item_title"; "url" is not defined. 30-sec namespace-discipline beat — payment metadata correctness matters because boostagram split routing breaks silently when fields are mis-named. PR #734 (truefans payment metadata) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 - PREMIUM RSS / SHARE-EQUALITY + HLS APPLE COMING IN (PNWR TAIL) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last Modified 05/29/2026 14:09:19 by Freedom Controller

Episode 260: Tennessee Trickshot

May 15th, 2026 7:34 PM

Podcasting 2.0 May 15th 2026 Episode 260 - "Tennessee Trickshot" Podcasting 2.0 May 15th 2026 Episode 260 - "Tennessee Trickshot" Adam & Dave Predict The Winter. That's all you need to know! Download the mp3 Synopsis Podcast Feed PodcastIndex.org Preservepodcasting.com Check out the podcasting 2.0 apps and services newpodcastapps.com Support us with your Time Talent and Treasure ShowNotes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - NGINX Rift: Achieving NGINX Remote Code Execution via an 18-Year-Old Vulnerability ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - ROB GREENLEE'S LLM-GHOSTWRITTEN "FRINGE REGRET" RETRACTION (folder: 06 Rob-Greenlee-Fringe) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - The DGX Spark Donated by RSS.com Aesus DB10 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - POD ROLL ATLAS @ atlas.rss.io — DAVE'S /datasets PAGE SHIPS, ALBERTO BUILDS THE POSTER CHILD (folder: 02 Pod-Roll-Atlas) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - DAVE'S SPAM CLASSIFIER SHIPPING WEEK + THE "AISTEN"/"RAPIDLU" BOT WAR (folder: 08 Dave-Spam-Bot-War) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - AI SLOP LANDS ON SPOTIFY MEGAPHONE WITH ZERO DISCLOSURE (folder: 04 AI-Slop-Megaphone) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 07 - JOHN ENNIS "HEAVEN AND EARTH" — THE RALPH-WIGGUM LOOP THESIS ON LLMs + DAVE'S CODING-AGENT CONFESSIONAL (folder: 05 Ennis-Heaven-Earth) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 08 - HLS VIDEO TIPPING POINT — AMAZON MUSIC + SPOTIFY MEGAPHONE BOTH JOIN APPLE'S HLS IN A SINGLE WEEK (folder: 07 HLS-Video-Tipping-Point) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 09 - UP NEXT — HOLGER KRUPP'S MIT-LICENSED SERVERLESS iOS PODCAST APP (folder: 03 Up-Next-App) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sources Last Modified 05/15/2026 14:35:52 by Freedom Controller

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