The Autism Little Learners Podcast

#154 Is PECS Still the Best Option? Rethinking AAC for Autistic Communicators

This episode is back as a replay because the conversation is still incredibly relevant—and the questions around PECS and AAC haven't gone away. In this episode, we take a thoughtful, nuanced look at the Picture Exchange Communication System (PECS) and its role in supporting autistic communication. While PECS has been widely used for decades, growing research, lived experience, and neurodiversity-affirming practice are prompting professionals to ask deeper questions about autonomy, flexibility, and what true communication really looks like. I'm joined by speech-language pathologists Paulina Elias and Dr. Amanda Blackwell from Natural Communication for a powerful discussion about how PECS originated, what it does well, and where it can fall short—especially when communication is limited to requesting or tightly controlled exchanges. We explore why many clinicians are shifting toward multimodal, child-led AAC approaches that support regulation, self-expression, and authentic connection. You'll hear us unpack topics like honoring a child's right to say "no," moving away from hand-over-hand prompting, and choosing communication tools that grow alongside a child rather than restricting them. Whether you're a parent, educator, or therapist, this replay episode offers updated perspectives that may challenge old assumptions—and help you feel more confident in supporting communication that is respectful, functional, and truly empowering. 🎥 Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Tu4rKeAM0dc 📖 Read the blog here: https://autismlittlelearners.com/pecs-autism/ Key Takeaways PECS was developed in the 1980s as a structured system rooted in behavior-based principles and primarily supports requesting. Communication is more than asking for wants—autistic children deserve access to tools that support commenting, protesting, refusing, and expressing feelings. Rigid communication systems can unintentionally limit autonomy and authentic self-expression. Hand-over-hand prompting raises concerns about consent and agency; hand-under-hand support allows for greater learner control. AAC should be multimodal, flexible, and adaptable to a child's evolving communication needs. Children must have the freedom to say "no" and communicate disagreement in order for communication to be meaningful. Relationship, trust, and emotional safety are foundational to successful communication development. Communication tools should grow with the child rather than requiring a complete "switch" later on. Neurodiversity-affirming AAC honors individuality, regulation needs, and multiple communication styles. Family insight and lived experience are critical pieces of evidence-based practice. Access to AAC resources in multiple languages increases equity and meaningful participation for families. The field is moving away from rigid systems toward child-led, respectful, and empowering communication supports—and that shift matters. You may also be interested in these supports: Visual Support Starter Set  Visual Supports Facebook Group Autism Little Learners on Instagram Autism Little Learners on Facebook  

#153 - Understanding Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) with Dr. Taylor Day

This episode is back by popular demand—and for good reason. One of the most requested and talked-about conversations on The Autism Little Learners Podcast, this replay dives into Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) with licensed psychologist Dr. Taylor Day. In this episode, we explore PDA as a profile within autism, with a strong focus on nervous system differences, autonomy, and the fight-or-flight response. Dr. Tay shares why traditional behavior-based approaches often miss the mark for children with PDA and offers compassionate, practical insights for parents and educators who want to support children in ways that truly work. If you're navigating intense demand avoidance, burnout, or power struggles—or supporting a child who needs a more flexible, relationship-based approach—this conversation is a must-listen (or re-listen). 🎥 Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/htWAXEnkyzE?si=s9tYLCnIbdt4LDOy 📖 Read the blog here: https://autismlittlelearners.com/pathological-demand-avoidance/ Links:  Dr. Tay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the.dr.tay/ Dr. Tay's Website: https://drtaylorday.com Evolve Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolve-with-dr-tay-the-podcast-for-parents-of-autistic-kids/id1659784037 Takeaways PDA is not a formal diagnosis, but a commonly discussed profile within autism that centers on nervous system differences. A child's behavior often reflects a stress response, not intentional defiance. For children with PDA, autonomy is a need, not a preference. Traditional compliance-based parenting and teaching approaches often escalate challenges rather than reduce them. Understanding fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses helps adults respond with compassion instead of control. Reducing demands can be supportive when paired with strong relationships and thoughtful boundaries. Collaboration between parents, educators, and providers leads to more consistent and effective support. Seeing the human behind the behavior shifts how we problem-solve and connect. Teaching autonomy, flexibility, and regulation skills supports long-term well-being. Offering meaningful choices can increase engagement and reduce stress. Prioritizing mastery and understanding over repetition helps children feel safe and successful. Parents are experts on their children and their insights matter. Educational systems work best when they adapt to children—not the other way around. Connection, trust, and felt safety are foundational for learning and growth. You may also be interested in these supports: Visual Support Starter Set  Visual Supports Facebook Group Autism Little Learners on Instagram Autism Little Learners on Facebook  

#152 - How to Explain Autism to Children: Neuro-Affirming Tips from an Autistic SLP

Have you ever wondered how to talk to children about autism in a way that feels natural, positive, and empowering? In this replay episode, I'm bringing back my incredibly insightful conversation with Andi Putt (Mrs. Speechie P) — an Autistic SLP who specializes in autism evaluations and neuro-affirming support. Andi shares compassionate, practical ways to talk to autistic children about their identity, how to approach conversations with peers and siblings, and why starting these discussions early can make a profound impact on a child's confidence, self-understanding, and mental health. We also dive into how to use everyday moments to normalize autism, reduce stigma, and help all children grow in empathy and acceptance. This is one of those episodes that educators and families continuously return to… and for good reason. Takeaways  Why conversations about autism should start early — and continue over time How explaining autism positively can support a child's self-concept and emotional well-being Simple, child-friendly ways to describe autism using strengths-based language Strategies for helping peers understand behaviors through empathy (including Andi's amazing "bear in the classroom" analogy) How open discussions reduce stigma, prevent bullying, and foster more inclusive classrooms Why kids are often more accepting and adaptable than adults assume How to avoid common mistakes adults make when talking about autism — and what to say instead The power of validating children's needs, identities, and differences without shame The importance of individualized support and asking children what they prefer or need How to talk about stimming, sensory overload, fight-or-flight responses, and regulation in ways young kids can understand Tips for sharing information with classmates (and when parent/child permission is needed)  Bio: Andi Putt, also known as Mrs. Speechie P, is an Autistic Speech Language Pathologist specializing in team-based Autism evaluations and neuro-affirming support. She is dedicated to empowering families and helping Autistic children understand and embrace their authentic selves while also advocating for each individual's unique needs. When she's not advocating for others, you can find her indulging in a good book, planning her next travel adventure, procrastinating literally anything, or enjoying time with her family. Links:  Andi's website: https://www.mrsspeechiep.com/ Andi's resources for talking to children about autism: https://www.mrsspeechiep.com/shop-all Andi's IG account (@mrsspeechiep): https://www.instagram.com/mrsspeechiep/?hl=en Watch the YouTube version of this podcast episode here: https://youtu.be/8YA5QELKAnc?si=CcMulQitmKXs-Yfi You may also be interested in these supports: Visual Support Starter Set  Visual Supports Facebook Group Autism Little Learners on Instagram Autism Little Learners on Facebook  

#151 Why Connection Comes First for Autistic Kids

In today's episode of The Autism Little Learners Podcast, I'm diving into one of the most meaningful parts of working with autistic preschoolers: connection. When we lead with compassion, honor sensory needs, and truly celebrate each child's unique way of being, we create the emotional safety that helps them learn, communicate, and thrive. I'm sharing why stepping out of "teacher mode," validating autistic play, and tapping into deep interests are essential for forming authentic relationships. If you're ready for simple, practical strategies that build trust, reduce overwhelm, and create joyful, neuroaffirming classrooms and homes, this episode is for you. Building authentic connection creates a sense of emotional safety for autistic children. Sensory and regulation needs must be supported before meaningful connection can occur. A calm, steady adult presence helps children co-regulate and learn what regulation feels like. Stepping out of "teacher mode" makes connection more natural and less overwhelming. Autistic play is meaningful, valid, and should be honored rather than redirected. Deep interests are powerful bridges for building trust, engagement, and communication. Leading with compassion instead of compliance helps children feel seen, respected, and safe. Joyful, neuroaffirming environments increase engagement and support learning. Presuming competence communicates respect for all forms of communication and autonomy. Prioritizing connection has long-term positive effects on confidence, engagement, and overall development. Links & Related Podcast Episodes Episode 90: Autism & Play Culture with Dr. Pamela Wolfberg: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-autism-little-learners-podcast/id1665404820?i=1000671411034 Blog: Strength-Based Approach For Teaching Autistic Children: https://autismlittlelearners.com/strength-based-approach/ Barry Prizant's book (Uniquely Human): https://amzn.to/3MjnpgF You may also be interested in these supports: Visual Support Starter Set  Visual Supports Facebook Group Autism Little Learners on Instagram Autism Little Learners on Facebook

#150 Helping Kids Navigate Big Emotions with Calm, Connection, and Compassion with Sarah Habib

This week, we're bringing you an encore episode featuring Sarah Habib, founder of The Calm Caterpillar — and it's one worth revisiting. Sarah's work has made a powerful impact on classrooms and families across the country, helping children (both neurodivergent and neurotypical) learn to regulate big emotions with simple, practical tools. In our conversation, Sarah shares how her calm corner kits, sensory supports, and breathing tools have transformed daily routines, reduced classroom disruptions, and created emotionally supportive spaces where kids can thrive. You'll also hear the incredible story of her work in Uvalde, Texas, and how she supported guidance counselors in building trauma-informed calm spaces for students. Whether you missed this episode the first time or you're listening again to soak up more ideas, this encore is filled with actionable, compassionate strategies for creating neurodiversity-affirming environments. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/1kzqoTm_XGM Key Takeaways Emotional regulation is a teachable skill, especially when tools are introduced during calm moments. Consistency between home and school boosts success, as seen with the calm corner kits launched during the pandemic. Sensory-rich tools like weighted plushes and tactile breathing aids help children connect with their bodies and calm their nervous systems. Co-regulation from adults comes first — modeling calm responses helps children learn what regulation looks and feels like. Buddy Breathing is an accessible, no-material strategy that supports both neurotypical and neurodivergent children. Calm corners in classrooms empower kids to self-regulate and build independence. Understanding ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences) is crucial for supporting emotional well-being. The Uvalde initiative highlights the power of community care and trauma-informed support. Schoolwide implementation works — The Calm Caterpillar program now serves students ages 2–18 across 45+ schools. Collaboration with educators and caregivers creates sustainable emotional support systems for children. This week, we're bringing you an encore episode featuring Sarah Habib, founder of The Calm Caterpillar — and it's one worth revisiting. Sarah's work has made a powerful impact on classrooms and families across the country, helping children (both neurodivergent and neurotypical) learn to regulate big emotions with simple, practical tools. In our conversation, Sarah shares how her calm corner kits, sensory supports, and breathing tools have transformed daily routines, reduced classroom disruptions, and created emotionally supportive spaces where kids can thrive. You'll also hear the incredible story of her work in Uvalde, Texas, and how she supported guidance counselors in building trauma-informed calm spaces for students. Whether you missed this episode the first time or you're listening again to soak up more ideas, this encore is filled with actionable, compassionate strategies for creating neurodiversity-affirming environments. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/1kzqoTm_XGM Connect With Sarah: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thecalmcaterpillar/?hl=en Website: thecalmcaterpillar.com Email: sarah@thecalmcaterpillar.com Resources Mentioned: ACES info: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/about.html ACES info: https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/health-wellness/health-encyclopedia/he.understanding-how-adverse-childhood-experiences-aces-can-affect-children.acm1499 The Calm Caterpillar products: https://thecalmcaterpillar.com/collections/shop-all   Related Supports from Autism Little Learners: Visual Support Starter Set Visual Supports Facebook Group Autism Little Learners on Instagram Autism Little Learners on Facebook