Episode 244 - Natural inclusion with Alan Rayner

Today I am delighted to share this imperfectly perfect conversation with Alan Rayner who is an Evolutionary Ecologist who came to talk to me on the Flourishing Education podcast about natural inclusion.

Alan and I had a wonderful hour together and he shared his education and his work and how he found it difficult because his understanding of the world is so different from our Cartesian, Newtonian, reductionist world.

Alan also shared why his views as an evolutionist are different from those of Darwin and why he believes we ARE NOT inherently selfish and that natural selection is not as Darwin described it the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life.

We also talked about language and how using certain expressions such as 'connection to nature' are problematic as it suggests that nature is an other that we are not included in when we are in fact a vibrant, living expression of the nature we inhabit.

We also discuss 'competitiveness', being 'busy' and needing to earn a living (amongst many other things).

I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did!