81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern

Alastair and Rory are joined by former New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark to discuss democracy, the rise of populism, the Monarchy, the importance of arts and culture, the United Nations development programmes and much, much more.

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