The Unlikely Spies | Author Interview with Mathew Goodman

Ever heard of a spy duo in their 60s walking three Cocker Spaniels around Nazi-occupied Paris by day and running a secret escape line by night? No? Then buckle in. In this episode, TK interviews bestselling author Matthew Goodman about his riveting new book, *Paris Undercover*—a deep-dive into the true story of two real-life badass women who defied fascism during World War II. We talk about the historical detective work that uncovered the truth behind a bestselling memoir, the women erased from standard war narratives, and how even “elderly” ladies can outmaneuver the Gestapo. This isn’t your average WWII tale—it’s got espionage, pseudonyms, betrayal, friendship, and... waffles? 🕵️‍♀️The Hidden Heroines – Meet Etta and Kate, two women "of a certain age" who created an escape route across France to rescue Allied soldiers—without any training or backup. 📖 **Memoir vs. Reality** – Matthew uncovers that the popular wartime memoir *Paris Underground* wasn’t entirely factual—and wasn’t written by the woman who supposedly penned it. 🔍 Research as Spycraft– From sealed military archives in France to ghostwriters with ghostwriters, Matthew shares how pandemic-era sleuthing led to unexpected twists in the story. 📚 Narrative Nonfiction Gold – With a background in fiction and a passion for history, Matthew shows how using storytelling techniques can bring history to life *without* sacrificing accuracy. 🧠 Modern Parallels – We also explore how themes of resistance, misinformation, and female agency remain powerful and painfully relevant today. --- 💙💛Why You’ll Love This Episode: If you love juicy historical mysteries, stories of women who defy expectations, or just want to know how an Upper East Side widow ends up sneaking British pilots past Nazis, this episode is for you. --- 🎧 Listen if you’re into: - Hidden Figures of WWII - Feminist history - Narrative nonfiction and storytelling - Rewriting the historical record - Dogs. Obviously. 👋 Support the Show (and your inner nerd): 💬 Comment & subscribe if you're watching on YouTube! ⭐ Leave a rating or review on your favorite podcast app 📬 Share this episode with a history-loving bestie 💌 Join the Patreon crew for early access, bonus content & sleepy history episodes 🛍 Grab some podcast merch—because espionage looks better in a hoodie --- 🌐 Learn More About Matthew Goodman: 📚 [MatthewGoodmanBooks.com] (https://matthewgoodmanbooks.com/) – Browse his books, drop him an email, or snoop around his research journey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices