ReThinking: Jacinda Ardern on leading with empathy and overcoming self-doubt
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ReThinking: Jacinda Ardern on leading with empathy and overcoming self-doubt

2025-07-01
When Jacinda Ardern was thrown into the race for New Zealand’s prime ministry just months before the general election in 2017, she had no intention of even running for the position—but she knew it was her responsibility to become the leader her country needed. In this episode, Adam and Jacinda reflect on strategies for closing confidence gaps, discuss the importance of compassion in leadership, and break down a phenomenon that New Zealanders call “tall poppy syndrome.” They also look back on Jacinda’s most pivotal decisions, from steering the country through the COVID pandemic ...
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