March 21, 2004: UFOs - John Lear

Art Bell welcomes back John Lear, son of Learjet inventor Bill Lear, for a wide-ranging conversation about his decades in ufology. Lear recounts his aviation career, including setting a world speed record in a Learjet and racing at Reno, before describing how Bud Hopkins' book Missing Time launched his UFO research in the mid-1980s.

The discussion turns to Lear's provocative claims about the nature of human existence. Drawing on what Bob Lazar reportedly read at S4, Lear presents his theory that mankind is an experiment and that a massive structure on the moon serves as a transmitter and receiver of souls. He connects this to astronaut testimony, suggesting Apollo crews were psychologically conditioned to forget what they observed on the lunar surface.

Art and Lear also examine gravity as an instantaneous force, element 115 and its role in extraterrestrial propulsion, the Aztec crash retrieval of 1948 as told by eyewitness Doug Nolan, and why Lear believes official disclosure will never occur. Callers press Lear on topics from the nature of the afterlife to the increase in reported homosexuality.