Ep. 312: Anne Applebaum on the future of the liberal world order

What are the benefits of a liberal world order? And how will the war in Ukraine impact the future order? Is it democracy or autocracy that will dominate the 21st century?

Guests: Anne Applebaum, author and staff writer at The Atlantic and Senior Fellow at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Ulf Sverdrup, director of the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs (NUPI).

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