07 | Demand Destruction | Techno-optimism?

2026-06-24

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In this final bonus season episode, Kate and Tim reflect on the morality of focusing on the "co-benefits" of war, and whether they are techno-optimists or techno-pessimists. Hosted by energy and climate finance expert Kate Mackenzie, and Tim Sahay from the Net Zero Industrial Policy Lab at Johns Hopkins University. They co-author The Polycrisis newsletter, which explores connections between energy, geopolitics, climate change, finance and industry. Produced by Sarah AllelyOriginal music by Russell S...

In this final bonus season episode, Kate and Tim reflect on the morality of focusing on the "co-benefits" of war, and whether they are techno-optimists or techno-pessimists.

Hosted by energy and climate finance expert Kate Mackenzie, and Tim Sahay from the Net Zero Industrial Policy Lab at Johns Hopkins University. They co-author The Polycrisis newsletter, which explores connections between energy, geopolitics, climate change, finance and industry.

Produced by Sarah Allely
Original music by Russell Stapleton
Mixed by Bethany Stewart

Links:

Prisoners of the Wrong Dilemma: Why Distributive Conflict, Not Collective Action, Characterizes the Politics of Climate Change - (Global Environmental Politics, Nov 2020 edition)

Chartbook - Adam Tooze on Substack. Tooze has a new book coming out soon, Carbon, which Tim refers to in this episode. Tooze holds the Shelby Cullom Davis chair of History at Columbia University and serves as Director of the European Institute.

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