This Debate Gets HEATED: Gas, Tax & Who’’s Telling The Truth

2026-05-01

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Karl sits down with Senator Susan McDonald and Konrad Benjamin in a no-holds-barred debate on Australia’s gas, taxes, and whether the country is getting ripped off.Are we one of the richest nations in the world… or getting taken for a ride?Konrad argues Australians are being short-changed — with billions in resources leaving the country and not enough coming back.Susan says that’s simply not true — and warns changing the rules could cost jobs, investment, and future growth.What follows is a raw, chaotic, ...

Karl sits down with Senator Susan McDonald and Konrad Benjamin in a no-holds-barred debate on Australia’s gas, taxes, and whether the country is getting ripped off.

Are we one of the richest nations in the world… or getting taken for a ride?

Konrad argues Australians are being short-changed — with billions in resources leaving the country and not enough coming back.

Susan says that’s simply not true — and warns changing the rules could cost jobs, investment, and future growth.

What follows is a raw, chaotic, and very real clash:Are gas companies paying their fair share?

Is Australia too soft in negotiations?

Should we copy Norway’s model?

Are politicians listening to lobbyists… or the public?

And what happens when people lose faith in the system?

At one point, it gets personal.

At another, they almost agree.

This is exactly the kind of debate Australia needs more of.Watch the full conversation and decide for yourself.Full episode now live.

00:00 Introductions and Setting the Stage