Vivian Howard Can’t Swear on TV.

Vivian Howard’s new cookbook Deep Run Roots weighs as much as a newborn, but if you think you’ll find a fried chicken recipe on one of its nearly 600 pages, you are gravely mistaken. The eastern North Carolina-based chef, restaurant owner, and Peabody Award-winning co-creator and star of A Chef’s Life on PBS, swung by the Eater Upsell studios to chat with Helen and special guest host Amanda Kludt (Eater's editor-in-chief) about homemade ketchup, the price of tea, and Hollywood's eye roll-inducing portrayal of chefs.