We are all investors: we all make choices, all the time, about our allocation of time, calories, attention… Even our bodies, our behavior and anatomy, represent investment in specific strategies for navigating an evolving world. And yet most people treat the world of finance as if it is somehow separate from the rest of life — including people who design the tools of finance, or who come up with economic theories. Many of the human world’s problems can be traced back to this fundamental error, and, by extension, many of the problems we create for other life-forms on this planet. What changes when we take the time to pause, and listen, and reflect on how the biosphere already works? How do we balance innovation with sustainability, or growth with resource distribution? Could a careful study of nature not only lead to better business outcomes but also help us heal the living world?
Welcome to COMPLEXITY, the official podcast of the Santa Fe Institute. I’m your host, Michael Garfield, and every other week we’ll bring you with us for far-ranging conversations with our worldwide network of rigorous researchers developing new frameworks to explain the deepest mysteries of the universe.
This week we talk to SFI’s new Board Chair Katherine Collins, Head of Sustainable Investing at Putnam, about insights encoded in her book, The Nature of Investing. We discuss how investing has transformed in the 21st Century and what new challenges have emerged because of it; the tragedy of value capture; the push and pull between sustainability and efficiency; the consequential differences between risk and uncertainty, problems and mysteries; how multiple timescales interact to produce complexity in the market; balancing growth and development; and what all this means for those who want to do good and not just well with their investments…
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Related Reading & Listening:
Katherine’s Website (where you can buy a copy of The Nature of Investing)
Katherine’s SFI Profile
SFI’s Alien Crash Site 12 with Katherine Collins
Re: Putnam’s Sustainable Investing
ESG at Putnam: A Digital Resource Guide
“The coming battle for the COVID-19 narrative” by Samuel Bowles & Wendy Carlin
“Economics in Nouns and Verbs” by W. Brian Arthur
“The information theory of individuality” by David Krakauer, Nils Bertschinger, Eckehard Olbrich, Jessica C. Flack & Nihat Ay
“Industrial mass-capture fishing may undo the benefits of schooling, according to a new study from UC Santa Barbara co-authored by SFI Postdoc Albert Kao…”
“Group Decisions: When More Information Isn’t Necessarily Better”
Complexity 35, 36: Scaling Laws & Social Networks in The Time of COVID-19 with Geoffrey West
Complexity 62, 63: Mark Ritchie on A New Thermodynamics of Biochemistry
Complexity 13, 14: W. Brian Arthur on The History & Future of Complexity Economics
Complexity 30: Rethinking Our Assumptions During the COVID-19 Crisis with David Krakauer
Alien Crash Site Invades Complexity: Tamara van der Does on Sci-Fi Science, with Guest Co-host Caitlin McShea
Mark Moffett on Canopy Biology & The Human Swarm
Cris Moore on Algorithmic Justice & The Physics of Inference
Science in The Time of COVID: Michael Lachmann & Sam Scarpino on Lessons from The Pandemic
Artemy Kolchinsky on "Semantic Information" & The Physics of Meaning
Peter Dodds on Text-Based Timeline Analysis & New Instruments for The Science of Stories
Scott Ortman on Archaeological Synthesis and Settlement Scaling Theory
Helena Miton on Cultural Evolution in Music and Writing Systems
David Wolpert on The No Free Lunch Theorems and Why They Undermine The Scientific Method
Introducing Alien Crash Site, a new SFI Podcast with host Caitlin McShea
Vicky Yang & Henrik Olsson on Political Polling & Polarization: How We Make Decisions & Identities
Carl Bergstrom & Jevin West on Calling Bullshit: The Art of Skepticism in a Data-Driven World
Natalie Grefenstette on Agnostic Biosignature Detection
The Information Theory of Biology & Origins of Life with Sara Imari Walker (Big Biology Podcast Crossover)
Fractal Conflicts & Swing Voters with Eddie Lee
Fighting Hate Speech with AI & Social Science (with Joshua Garland, Mirta Galesic, and Keyan Ghazi-Zahedi)
The Art & Science of Resilience in the Wake of Trauma with Laurence Gonzales
Geoffrey West on Scaling, Open-Ended Growth, and Accelerating Crisis/Innovation Cycles: Transcendence or Collapse? (Part 2)
Scaling Laws & Social Networks in The Time of COVID-19 with Geoffrey West (Part 1)
Better Scientific Modeling for Ecological & Social Justice with David Krakauer (Transmission Series Ep. 7)
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