Thomas Kidd on Benjamin Franklin & Upstream on Mavis Staples

We talk to Thomas Kidd professor of history at Baylor, Associate Director of Baylor's Institute for Studies of Religion and author of the new book Benjamin Franklin: The Religious Life of a Founding Father. After that, Bruce Walker and Marc talk about the recently released Mavis Staples concert album I'll Take You There: An All-Star Concert Celebration.

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