Rachael & Diny - Vaccine Control Group: Collecting Essential Data on the Unvaccinated

We are delighted to welcome two wonderful ladies to Hearts of Oak.
We have followed the great work of the Vaccine Control Group from the beginning of the Covid chaos, so the founders Rachael and Diny join us to discuss the journey and growth of this assemblage that seeks to show and oppose the lies of the mRNA experimental gene therapy injection.
The people originally allocated by the pharmaceutical companies to be part of a control group for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, have almost all been vaccinated now meaning that the official, long term control group for the Covid vaccine research no longer exists.
In to this gap stepped Rachael and Diny who had a vision to collect the long-term health data of the vax-free from every country, to provide the missing control group to the SARS-CoV-2 vaccinated; thus enabling independent and transparent, comparative analysis of the mass vaccination policy.
It has grown exponentially all across the world as it meets and addresses a need, not only does it record the data for the unvaccinated, it also acts as a declaration of your 'pureblood' status and participation in the control group.
This is a call to action for every SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-free individual in the world to join together in the most important study of our time – this is your opportunity to do something incredibly important for the future of your children by standing up to be a valuable and active participant of the world’s largest and truly independent control group.

Link to Robert Verkerk PhD study discussed during the episode...
- Self-Selected COVID-19 “Unvaccinated” Cohort Reports Favorable Health Outcomes and Unjustified Discrimination in Global Survey: https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/43

“The Vaccine Control Group is a worldwide, independent, long-term study that is seeking to provide a baseline of data from unvaccinated individuals for comparative analysis with the vaccinated population, to evaluate the success of the Covid-19 mass vaccination program and assist future research projects. This study is not, and will never be, associated with any pharmaceutical enterprise as its impartiality is of paramount importance.”

Get involved today at the following links...
- Website: www.vaxcontrolgroup.com
- Pre-registration page for new Covid injected participants to join: https://members.vaxcontrolgroup.com/preregister
- Community: https://www.vcgwiki.com/index.php/community
- Telegram: https://t.me/joinchat/vYOoXyzT-VY1MDc0
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/VaxControlGroup?s=20&t=wNQcGsiNz2SvbaQkEX4OLg
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/493614538559474
- GETTR: https://gettr.com/user/CGCoop

Interview recorded 6.2.23

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[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak. Interview just coming up, looking at the vaccine control group and I had the delight of bumping into Rachael and also Diny at the event in Derby, the comedy podcast event.
They were there with a table, a vaccine group table. And it's something I came across way at the beginning as I was trying to work out how you get past these mandates and also looking at what data was being collected on on vaxed. I came across this group, fascinating group. So I had a really great interview with both Rachael and Diny talking about what the group is, why it's needed, about the mandates being dropped and whether the group is still needed, how it can be used as a
[1:09] control group for whatever is coming next. So it's not just a one-off, it can be used for other things, how you can support them with a £6 a quarter to get those cards, which you need to get. And, by that £6 a quarter you help fund what they are doing. Talk about how they're now all over the world, about the telegram groups, how people can share information, their Zoom calls you can be part of.
So much to talk about and great to catch up with them on this essential venture they have started, from nothing. So I know you love hearing from Rachel and Diny.

 

So thank you for joining us, Hearts of Oak. And it is wonderful to have two people, an organization that I have wanted for months and that is Rachael and Diny from the Vaccine Control Group. Thank you both of you you for joining us today.

[2:02] You're welcome. Thank you for having us. Great to have you and I bumped into you both in Derby and
[2:09] great to see you're stalled and I've followed what you've done as of many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. We'll get into all of that but the details are there, the website is there and we'll put some of the Telegram links as well in the description, Vaxcontrolgroup.com. If I can maybe first ask how you both came to the point of launching, this initiative, this project, which is something that none of us thought we would ever need, but maybe separately how you came to be at the point of overseeing such a mammoth task?

[2:48] (Diny) I'll start off. It was basically a meme that people who weren't vaccinated were saying, I'm in the control group because we obviously knew that there wasn't a control group for those people who'd been vaccinated because the control group had been vaccinated. And because I'd been part of starting a local freedom cooperative in Eastbourne and we're trying to get ways to do things in lockdown, try to find what we could do to try and fix things. And we realised with this meme that there actually wasn't a control group. And because my husband's a database developer and very experienced with data, we sort of talked and said, well, actually, we could do this as a group.
We could actually set up our own control group, but there are only a small amount of us, about 70, and it wouldn't have really worked. We realised we needed it on a global scale. So we said, well, why don't we just create a database for the world and get everyone in a control group who's not vaccinated, as you do.
So we just got about writing one, creating it, and in a spare room in our spare time.
[3:56] Put some of our savings into it, and just sort of got started.
And we were just writing the questions when we met Rachael.

(Rachael) Yep.
So I'm Rachael. I was working as an A&E nurse for, well, when all of it kicked off really in March 2020.
So yeah, it's a pretty crazy story in itself really.
I come to the realization that what we were being told wasn't all the truth.
And I ended up leaving my job and I didn't really know where to turn.
If I was the only one that felt like I did. And I came across somehow the Stand in the Park groups.
So that's when I found Diny.
So she was in my local Stand in the Park group. And I heard about this control group idea and just really couldn't wait to be involved, really.
So that's when I came and came and sat down and helped them with the questions to get going.
So I went from there really.

[4:52] Rach, because we've had NHS 100, we've had Alan from Together Declaration, we've had lots of groups, but some people were impacted more than others.
And I guess, Rachael, you were one of those people who was really impacted because this was mandatory for you in your employment.

(R) Well, I'd already left by then actually, Peter, but it was a massive impact on me. I'd say my whole world flipped upside down. So in the beginning, I was completely terrified along with my colleagues about what we were going to see and what was to come. I went through the whole thing of not having PPE. I was fighting to wear a mask at work at one point. We were debating whether to move out and protect our kids, all that crazy stuff. And it wasn't until I actually left work for a few weeks and started reflecting on what was going on and my mum started asking me a few questions and it was her health as well that I started looking into natural ways of helping her that made me realise that everything I was taught wasn't the truth and made me
[5:54] question everything really and that's when I decided then that I couldn't go back. So I actually handed my notice in early 2021 before the vaccine rollout came.

[6:04] Wow. Wow. Can maybe let me ask you to explain there may be some of our viewers and listeners, I don't know where they've been if they don't know what the vaccine control group is, but they may have missed it. So for those of our viewers and listeners who have missed it, can you explain what exactly it is?

[6:25] (D) Can I start? it's in two parts really. So at the heart of it, we are collecting the data of those people who've chosen not to take the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, to look at their long-term health outcomes. It's a multi-generational study because this is a multi-generational problem.
[6:43] The people who've been vaccinated now who go on to have children and their children, we don't know what this is going to do to them. So we are studying the health outcomes and that is the really, really important long-term aspect of what we're doing. It's behind everything. It's health sovereignty really. It's you being able to know what's going to happen and having the choice.
I won't say about what the next stage is, but I'll let you talk about the other aspect of the community.

(R) So we realised quite quickly actually when people started joining, because originally we didn't even market it or really share it that much, it just spread by word of mouth and people just started joining from everywhere really. It's incredible.
And by the time we knew it, we had different groups of people in different countries.
And so that's when we started up our Telegram groups. We thought we needed somewhere that people could come and chat and ask us questions as well. Because in the beginning, we were really, really asked a lot of questions, you know, who are you that are taking our data? We were really mistrusted in the beginning. They thought we were a government scheme.

 

(D) We're not.

[7:47] Could have been part of the Nudge Unit number 10 or something. Who knows?

[7:51] (R) People still get, we still get that though, from people that haven't heard about us. And that's fair enough, you know, we're happy people are questioning everything. But back to the telegram, so we started off with a few telegram groups and they just grew and grew and we realized we needed different language groups, different speciality groups, we needed like parents, university students, NHS workers at one point, that was you know a really cool group at one point and so we just expanded from there and we wanted to give back to those people that are constantly giving, us their data every month because what they're doing is really, really invaluable for everybody for the future. We wanted to give them support back and then we started to set up Zooms as well so that they originally started as Q&A Zooms so that we could just answer to everybody who we were and what we were doing and why and just so they could get a feel for us and meet us and ask us any questions. And they turned into a sharing and caring Zoom. That's what we call them now. So people from all over the world join. We've got a bunch of regular people who we've really made friends with over the years and they tell us what's happening in their own countries. We hear what's going on on the ground and we've formed a really good friendship group from that and we support people that are lonely.
And yes, but just growing really lovely community really. So that's the second part. Yeah and...

[9:12] No, no, go for it.

 

(D) The third part, which is, it's kind of turned into a monster of itself, is the cards. So our, idea initially when we very first started this was that we knew that people who haven't been vaccinated traditionally keep that quiet, but this was something much bigger than that. This was, you know, for the COVID vaccine, we felt that everyone should stand up and say, look, I haven't been vaccinated against it. I've got good reasons. Whatever those reasons are, they're my reasons, they're good reasons. We need to stand up, be proud of that because it's our choice and show other people that they don't need to hide as well. So we came up with the idea of these cards, which are sort of, you know, it's to be visible. That's the main reason. But the other reason was that we know, both being moms, we've each got three children, that kids can be coerced into vaccinations in schools, especially with things like the HPV. And in fact, my daughter didn't have it. And, you know, we had very sort of strict words about, you know, when they try and talk you into it, you know. So we decided that we needed to help them in some way. And that was to put on the card.
[10:20] 'Must not be vaccinated'. And the idea is that this can act as a shield. So if someone's trying to coerce you, it was mainly for the children, but obviously any adult can use it too. They can say, look, you know, I've got this, I can't be vaccinated for this, I, you know, I'm not supposed to have it.
No one's going to go against that. You know, it just gives them that extra bit of security.
Adults have been using it too, though. It's been absolutely amazing. People have used it in all sorts of situations, but also they've used it in situations where the vaccine's been mandatory.
So health workers have used it to keep their jobs in all sorts of countries, not just the UK, but countries like Australia, which is crazy. People have used to get into hospitals to see, their loved ones when they haven't been allowed into hospital. People have used it to get into other countries where vaccines are mandated. Even now, people are still using it to get into, the United States. It isn't an exemption of any sort. It is simply a card that helps you be visible in your right to not take this particular vaccine. But it just gives you confidence and power in your own rights, that's, you know, that's, it's not accepted by governments at all.
[11:30] Or anyone. It's not, you know, we were very careful to make sure it didn't try and look like any kind of vaccine pass because we didn't want it to be a fake pass. You know, people said, or you're making a fake pass. No, it's not trying to be, it's not looking like one. It is simply what it is. And that's a card of membership for our cooperative that says you are unvaccinated, but also it's a little shield that you can use to say, look, this is, you know, don't come near me me with that needle.

[11:56] One of the things I love about it is, and I pick up on some of those individual things, but that
many people complain. People are good at sitting around and being frustrated and venting that frustration with friends and family and it's kind of round that table in the pub and going there for an hour and unloading everything that's happening.
But there are very few people who actually think, well, this is a problem, but maybe we can do something about it.
You're obviously individuals who've decided this is the problem, we could bitch and moan about it, but actually we could try and find a solution.
It probably would have been easier just to sit and moan about it.
What kind of spurred you into, we need to come up with something that fixes the issue that lies in front of us?

[12:45] (R) That's an easy one and I think lots of people relate, but it's our children.
Diny said we've got three children each and we saw their future being destroyed and them, not being allowed access to what they would want to do in the future, being unvaccinated, you know, not being able to travel, not being able to do the college courses they wanted potentially.
So we felt really strongly that we need to do something in order to fix their future.
So yeah,

 

(D) we weren't having it. We were just like, no, we're not having it. This is our kid's future and everyone else's kids, they're not going to screw it up for them. So we decided to fix it or try.

None of us have ever expected to be in this situation. So you try solutions and there's some work, some don't. But I remember talking to a friend and he had written, he had got a solicitor to write a letter to the school telling them what would happen and he would go for every single teacher who is involved in forcing that. He maybe had the finances to do that. But what you're provided is a way that everyone can do it. They don't need to have access to legal, which is costly, but simply by getting this, it is a way.

And I'd encourage and tell us about this, how people can actually give it, it's free.

[13:59] But I would encourage everyone to actually sign up and it's what, 5, 10 pounds, a quarter ?
Tell us about that because everything costs money to happen.
And I, as not part of the scheme, can encourage all our viewers and listeners to make sure and pay for it because nothing comes for free. Tell us about that side.

[14:19] (R) Do you want to say that, ?

(D) Yeah, okay. So when you join the vaccine control group.
[14:26] The vaccinecontrolgroup.com, you don't have to pay at all to start with. Anyone can join for free, put in your data. I mean, you know, we're asking for your data. So it's a bit weird that you would actually have to pay for it. That is an unusual concept to have to pay to be in a study. So, everyone can be free if they want to be in the majority of people are, they don't pay to to participate. However, we are a cooperative, and we've got a cooperative model in that those people who want to fund us who want to help keep this going for, you know, we're expecting 30 years. And it does cost a lot. It's, we've got a team now, it's not cheap to do. Our idea for a funding model was that they would become members at it's £24 a year, that's £6 a quarter.
So that's less than a cup of coffee taken out once a month. Our aim is to keep it as accessible as possible.
We just need to keep this going. We're not looking to make loads of money out of it.
We simply need to keep the thing going. That's all it's about.
So yeah, it's six pounds a quarter.
People can cancel any time they want. Those people who become associates of the control group, they get sent the plastic printed card.
Everyone who is a free participant gets a digital version of it, which does exactly the same thing.
So the benefit is that you are simply helping to fund this really, really important study going onwards.

(R) And allow it to remain independent.

(D) Well, yeah, that is the main important thing about it. Yeah.
[15:53] That we're completely independent, because if we were to ask for funding from anyone else, and people have said, well, why don't you go to universities, ask for the funding?
We have heard all the stories about who funds them. We don't want that.
So we're not getting funding from anywhere other than our participants.
And that's, you know, we're really, really
strict on that.

 

If it came out that Pfizer were sponsoring that wouldn't be very good.

[16:17] (D) That'd be awkward.

 

(R) Definitely not.

[16:21] Tell us about the cards when people sign up and they pay the £6 a quarter, they get the cards.
That must and probably remains a mammoth endeavour to get those cards out. I remember sitting and looking at the telegram groups and some people saying, I got my card in a week and others saying I'm in Australia and I'm so waiting on mine.

 

That's a huge process to get those out worldwide.

 

(R) Yeah it's taken us a long time to learn all this. Obviously we started off with no knowledge whatsoever of what we were doing and we bought our first few card machines and we got the printing right and everything but yeah we ended up getting a franking machine for the postage a couple of months in just because we were the post offices were literally saying no we're we're not doing it anymore because we would turn up with so much post and they just refused to do it and we were we were spreading it around different towns and different post offices just so that we could get them sent but we ended up having to do that ourselves so yeah it's been a massive learning curve and then we've had you know people get in touch saying I want a card in my language I want it in my language so we always went back to them and said well if you can provide a translation for us then we'll be happy to create that so we've now got.
[17:29] I can't remember how many now 15 or 16 yeah something like that and we're building them still. So, so yeah, that was that was fun learning how but we had our kids working with us in the beginning, we had six card printers in one room at one point when we moved out of Diny's spare room, got a little office room and we had all the teenagers printing them for us and posting them.

(D) So they loved it. They really enjoyed it. We paying them a little bit for it. And they thought it was absolutely wonderful.

[17:56] Yeah, wasn't it because when you start something you want success, but you don't know what success will look like. And then when something does pick up, you think, it was easier before.
What was that when it started to really take off? And you said you didn't publicize it, but it was just spread because everyone was trying to find a solution to this.
And suddenly you get the orders in.
[18:18] What was that like? As you said, wow, this this is really impacting a lot of people.

[18:24] (R) Yeah, it was it was the success stories that really did it for us.
And I remember just reading some of them in the beginning. I was managing the telegram groups in the beginning.
We've got a lovely lady doing that for us now. But yeah, we actually created a telegram group specifically for those stories.
And they're just amazing. You know, just heartfelt stories of people that could go and visit their dying relative when they weren't allowed before.
And that, you know, every time we heard one of those, it just kept you going.

(D) Yeah, but we could actually make a difference to people's lives in other countries.
It's just, it's mental.

(R) Yeah, we didn't expect that.

And did you expect other initiatives to happen in other countries because in theory you'd set up something and think well we'll provide for the UK and people who need it and then suddenly requests come from all over.
I assume you were not expecting a worldwide demand.

[19:17] (D) We wanted it because we realized that the only way that we could actually show what was definitely happening to those people who haven't taken the vaccine was to show it all over the world in, different geographical locations, in different socioeconomic locations. And if that same thing, that same outcome was happening in Alaska, in France, in Italy, in Africa, then you've got a trend because one of the limitations with the study is that it is anecdotal, it's self-reported. And we know that.
So we've talked to an awful lot of people. We've had amazing people giving us brilliant advice, people with doctorates and health professionals.
And we were told that we need to get quantities of data, ideally over a million people, so that we've got large amounts in all those different areas that show that there's a trend of, we're either all doing really well or we're all dropping dead.
Either way, we've got to show a trend and we need people to do that.

[20:11] Tell us how the control group, because I think people initially come into this thinking, I want to kind of pass out of jail.
I want a card out of jail. I don't want to get out of this.
And then you realize actually there's much more to it than simply having that card behind that, which in effect is the purpose of the group, is a vaccine control group where people, enter their information each month.
About that kind of the information people give and then the I guess the difficulty of actually keeping that data, bringing it together and then having it so you can use it to report later on.

[20:51] (R) Yeah, so I'll explain a little bit about what we ask. So first of all, we ask for baseline health conditions, for example.
So when somebody signs up, it's, you know, what medical conditions might you already suffer with so that we can see kind of what their baseline health is.
And then every month we ask them a short questionnaire. And when we first put that in, it's all being re-changed now.
Now so we'll explain about what it's changing too but we ask have they had COVID, the severity of the illness, were they hospitalized, what medications they take, what supplements they take, if they test, if they wear masks, for how long, any discrimination. We ask people to report if they've been discriminated or you know sacked from their employment for example because of their vaccine status. Have I missed anything?

[21:39] (D) Just trying to think, no.

 

(R) It's hard because we're just redoing everything so that's like old stuff to remember. But that's kind of what we asked for in the beginning and we have had some people have a look at the data so far. So early on we had Dr Rob Verkirk of ANH, he came in and had a look at the data and he actually wrote a paper that got published. When was that published?

[22:03] (D) Oh goodness me. Anyway, it was published. It was published. It's on our website.

We will put the link in the description. It's a good thing about doing pre-record. We will put that link in the description. So, send it to me and it will be there.

(R) Thank you. So, basically, he came and had a look at all the data and compiled it into a paper and he uploaded it to ResearchGate, which is like an open...
Oh, can't even... ...Episodes? No, I've forgotten what the word's called now.

[22:36] (D) Preprint?

 

(R) yeah that's it, a pre-print server and they're quite easy to upload on a pre-print server really because it's not you know a journal or a peer-reviewed journal for example, but it actually got taken down which we weren't expecting so they literally removed it and I can't even remember the reason.

 

(D) I think it was the Daily Mail put an article about it and that, kicked off, it was literally as soon as the article came out that it then came out again so

 

(R) Yeah, but the paper showed basically that the unvaccinated were doing quite well. So we had, quite low rates of hospitalization if people were suffering with COVID. It showed that all over the world people are really taking care of their health. So I think it was something like 70% were taking vitamins and supplements regularly to try and keep well. We also found out that, quite a high percentage of our database have had vaccinations in the past. So that really kind of screwed up their

 

 

 

(D) anti-vaxxer thing, not the anti-vaxxers they're looking for.

[23:42] I find actually that the government have made me, anti-vaxxer is the one who turned that up because I had no issue all the way up to now and it's only at this point that the government need to look at themselves for why there is any pushback because it's their fault.
So thank you Matt Hancock for making me now be suspicious of anything coming from the Department of Health. I guess that's the same for you and I guess that's a story you're finding throughout.

(D) Yeah, we did actually ask, would you be willing to take vaccines in the future?
I forget exactly what specific ones we asked about, but there was quite a high proportion.
I think it's like 50% of people said they'd be much more cautious and probably say no to any kind of vaccine in the future.

 

(R) Even travel vaccines and such.

(D) Yeah, so they've actually made anti-vaxxers through this.

Tell us what has been the journey for you two in connections, in meeting people, and because this has, I guess, spawned a whole new community, a whole new group of connections and friendships and networks that didn't really exist. And I find sitting interviewing people and I thought, I wouldn't even have given that person the time of day, but now we find that there's something that unites us and you focus on that.
So what has it been like for the two of you?

[25:09] (D) Been crazy actually. I mean, at the very beginning of this journey, we had an awful lot of, who the hell are you? What are you doing? You know, you blue-haired freak have had quite a lot of scammers and grifters and oh my goodness. Yeah, which is, I mean, one of the reasons why we are on every single Zoom call so that people can ask us questions. And the first load, there were people
[25:30] asking us questions. But we did have a lot of doctors talking to us secretly, which was quite funny. So doctors and scientists, they talked to us, but we weren't allowed to tell anyone they were talking to us. And so we came home to say to people, look, you know, there are lots of doctors that actually like what we're doing, support what we're doing, but we can't tell you who they are, and they're not going to say anything about it. And so we've had this really weird relationship with people. And, you know, obviously, we've had our participants, and they've been absolutely wonderful and incredibly supportive. But I think it's this last sort of six months, all of a sudden, people have realized that we're not grifters, scammers, we are truly actually doing this.
I think there was also the worry that we were going to fail, that we were just a couple of idiot mums who were having a go at something we know nothing about, which we didn't. But we have learned so, so much. It's incredible because we have spent hours talking to doctors, scientists, researchers. We are learning everything we possibly can to make sure we do this incredibly well.

And suddenly people have realised that and realised that we are serious. We're not just faffing around doing something for our kids, we're going to fix this for our kids and we're going to do it the best way we know how. And so people suddenly, I don't know.
[26:44] If they respect what, I think they respect what we're doing, maybe not us, but they respect what we're doing now and they understand that we are doing this properly. So from the medical perspective, we've been to a lot of events now and people have welcomed us and they're, talking to us and they're actually outwardly saying that they're supporting us now as well, which is lovely, which gives our participants a lot more faith in what we're doing too. So, It's been interesting.
[27:09] Scary, because this is, I mean, I'm a science fiction writer, you know. I'm not used to dealing with PhD scientists. You know, it's, yeah, Rachael's a lot more medical and it's easier for you.

(R) But we haven't let any of it change us, have we? And that, you know, it's just brilliant.
We're just us and we're just who we are. And I think that's why people relate to us as, well, because we're not trying to be anything we're not. We always say we come from nothing really and we're just a couple of mums but we've managed to do what we've done.

(D) And we admit when we don't know what we're doing but we always go and find out from someone who does know what they're doing. We get advice.

 

(R) Or we learn or we do live blood analysis courses.
[27:51] So we know what's going on.

 

Well yeah you could write a whole science fiction novel in the last three years but that's a good material anyway for that next one.

 

(R) I think she wrote it before this.

(D) Well, I kind of wrote what I wrote was actually leading up to the world turning into this. So yeah.

[28:12] Tell us about the data because I had actually, yeah, our next interview, actually just before this is Amy Kelly from Daily, DailyClout. And they've obviously published, that massive publication with 50 case studies of all different areas. And you look to that and you realize that what the data you're collecting isn't available. No one has certainly known in the echelons of society, known in the medical profession, known in the tech companies have thought of pulling together this data. And there are only a few countries actually that have, I mean, UK and Israel, seemingly that data is thrown up all the time, because other countries aren't collecting it. So what you're doing will be absolutely essential with that data.
So tell us more about that because that is going to be extremely important going forward.

[29:09] (D) Yeah, it's absolutely essential. And that's why after having our data analysed, initially, we realized there were lots of gaps, lots of things we could have asked better because we didn't know, you know, we did the best we could. But actually, you know, a year and a half down the line, we know
[29:26] where this is going, the landscapes change too. So we're in the middle of and almost about to, relaunch a much more extensive questionnaire with much, much deeper questions.

(R) Yeah, when we started we had no idea what kind of adverse events we were even going to see at all. We could guess, but we didn't have a clue when we wrote our questions. So we've really dug down into what we need to look at now and we're going to have a massive section on pregnancy and fertility going forwards as well as heart issues. We came from, I think, the top headings of medical conditions such as heart, blood, lung conditions and now we've we've dug right down, we've got over a thousand different conditions people can select going, forward so we'll really be able to look at the data more clearly.
And part of the relaunch going forward, the database developer is building some kind of warehouse that people can, data analysts can basically plug into.
So we really want the data to be more available to everybody and we've only managed to get one paper written so far going backwards just because we're a small team and it's a lot of work. And we want to be able to push out data way more easily and readily. And another aspect of it is there's never, you know, there's never the data, the raw data.
[30:42] So, you know, when you read something or look at a publication, for example, you can never really dig down to the raw data that they were looking at when they were analysing.
And we want to make it as available as possible. So analysts in the future will be able to just plug in, we'll obviously make sure that they're trusted and they're doing it for good reason and they'll be able to plug in and analyse and put out way more publications going forward and they'll be able to spot trends in the data, look at certain aspects of the data.
[31:12] Which is what's happening to pregnant women, for example. And I forgot to mention one of the most important things. And the most?
We're not, well, yeah, it's all anonymized, definitely. But we're inviting those that have taken COVID vaccines in.
So when we relaunch, we're officially inviting those that have had any number of any different COVID vaccine into the study so that we've got our own comparative cohort.
And so again, we can support them that have been injured or regretful and you know, realized they've been lied to. So that's the huge change that, we're going to now.

(D) And even possibly the people that are happy to continue them, we're hoping that they'll want to say, well, prove me wrong and also provide their data.

[31:56] I think that's essential people who have taken it because if, I mean, one of the demos was at, 10 days ago was for the vaccine injured and there were eight different people speaking about the devastating effect it has had on their health and their family and their lives.
[32:12] One, that story is not really told. But two, it's vital that they can begin to put in their information to this because you will at least be willing to listen to them and allow them to put in that raw data and assess it where no one else is giving them the time of day. So I think it's, really quite essential and important as you're growing to add that facility on.

[32:36] (R) Yeah, and as well as that important data, the community needs to expand and grow as well.
And we've had vaccine injured people come and join our sharing and caring zooms with our regular participants. And it's just been absolutely amazing seeing how the understanding is growing and they're listening to each other. and we just want to bring people back together again and unite people.
[32:58] Yeah it is.

 

So the best way, I want to touch on where we're going with it, but the best way for people to follow you on the website will have links to the Telegram groups and people can join those Zoom sessions can they?

 

(R) Yes they're open to absolutely everyone. On the community part of the website there's a menu on the left that says Zooms. Anyone can come and chat to us, we do them twice a week, we're always there.
Yeah, different time zones.
Yeah, different times a day. Yeah. And we also do community events as well. So we invite people on with, normally, it's normally to do with health and wellbeing, but it can be any interesting topic really, so that we can learn from people and they're open to everybody as well. So you can sign up to come along to one of those and ask the speaker questions.

[33:48] Okay. Can I ask, looking forward, because people, I actually did think at one point, well, maybe it's all going to go away and we'll all be left alone. I don't think that will ever happen. So tell us what, because you put this together because you were faced with an issue, we were all faced with an issue. We're now told that's gone away. So you can now, certainly regarding travel and movement and possibly employment that's beginning to change. Where, does that leave you and what you're doing with the vaccine group?

[34:27] (D) Still really important because people have been vaccinated and we don't know without studying what the outcomes are going to be for those people and their children long term. So that.
[34:39] You know, you can't take the vaccine out of people, at least not that we know of yet.
So that's going to be there for generations to come. So that hasn't gone away.
And actually in the UK, things seem quite easy. In other countries, it really hasn't gone away.
It's, you speak to people and it's still quite horrendous. And with what we're doing, the way we've designed it is that, yes, we're studying the COVID vaccine or the effects at the moment, but you don't know what else is going to come along.
And actually, because we are a control group, we could effectively be a control group for anything that comes along.
So while people are entering all of their health data, if suddenly people start to take the M-Pox vaccine, for example, well, if we've got loads of people who have and loads of people who haven't, and we've got people who are willing to study our information, our data, our anonymized data, fully anonymized.
[35:29] Then there's nothing to stop us being a control group for everything else that they might want to throw at us, for the next big pandemic that Bill Gates has promised us.

It's round the corner, being dropped on us from a balloon somewhere near you.

(D)Yeah. You know, you just don't know what's going to happen.

(R) and we're pretty flexible. You know, we've been flexible since the beginning.
We literally change our plans every week, depending on what we hear on our Zooms, whatever the landscape is, whatever people need. You know, we really think about that and take that, into consideration. And that's one of the main things that we get from the Zooms as well as, you know, making friends and supporting people. It's what do people need?
Yeah. And we go with it, don't we? Yeah.

 

(D) And also all of the systems, the database, it's not an off the shelf system. It's been written from scratch, every bit of it. So we've got, we started off with just my husband writing everything day and night.
[36:22] He's still doing it, but we've got a small team around him also doing that now. And so because it's, it's everything is designed specifically for this and for what we're doing and for what we want to do going forward.
We can adjust it and alter it to be whatever it needs to be going on, just so that we can show what we need to show.
That's the truth.

And I think therefore it's essential that there may be people watching who have been part of it, who have paid that six pounds a quarter, which everyone should be doing if they're part of it, and they may be thinking, you know, it's probably run its course and maybe I should just cancel.
But certainly from my point of view, my viewpoint, it's essential.
As you said, it's in effect, it's a blank slate that can be used for whatever is coming.
And that means that it is vital for people to continue to support it by inputting data, but also with that financial support.

[37:20] (D) Yes, yeah, absolutely. I mean, we understand it's hard times for everyone, which is why we've made it as cheap as possible.
And also, you know, there's the free option and most people do go for that.
We don't feel that we're asking too much by hoping that some people will feel that it's worth paying for because this could show, that the unvaccinated are doing brilliantly or it could show that actually we're all dying.
But if that's the case, we want to know, we need to know whichever way it goes and we will show whichever way it goes.
We need to know that information for us and for our kids. If it looks like the children who have been vaccinated they're not able to have children. They need to know that but they're not going to know that until those children have grown up another 10 years or 15 or however long it takes, you know, to find that out if this study stops.
[38:10] You know, because we can't afford to fund it, then you're not going to find that information out, because no one else is doing it.

 

And to repeat how important it is, I only learned with my, interview with Amy Kelly that one of the studies they did was that Pfizer had started a control group for those who weren't Vax, so placebo group, and those who were getting the Vax.
And that was going to run for, I think, two to three years.
Then after four months, they just jabbed everyone. It defeats the whole.
And when you hear stories like that, you realize that everything we thought was true about how these companies operate, actually threw that in the bin and it's purely about a rush to market.
And therefore the data you have is essential because it's possibly unique and these companies don't have it.

[39:03] (R) Yeah, exactly. And one thing we've learned just from doing this, which I didn't have a clue before, being a nurse even, that a lot of the studies that they do aren't even given a placebo anyway. They're giving a different treatment.
They don't give them saline. They give them a different vaccine, for example.
So there's never really a true control group. So what we're doing is unique.
And we're completely independent. We're not biased at all. We're not funded by anyone.
So this is the future for science. That's how we see it.
It's a future where people can fund a truly independent thing, put their data in, and then we can find out what's going on in regard to anything, any treatment.

[39:42] (D) And the users have a vested interest in it because they're part of it.
They're the ones who are funding it. And because we're a cooperative, those who are associates, they're the people that we listen to for what we need to do.
They're the ones who steer us.

[39:57] Have you been surprised at the lack of vocal support for those who have chosen not to have this?
Because I mean, for me politically, kind of on the right, I've been quite shocked at the, voices have only been on, well, people should kind of have freedoms, but really we need to jab them anyway.
And all those freedoms you kind of think on the right, actually that collapsed.
And as I found politically on the left you had a lot of calls for restrictions, for freedoms for individuals that traditionally, so the whole thing has got messed up and mixed up which has been great fun to watch.
But for you, have you been surprised and expected, I guess, high profile figures to have stood up and spoken out and they've just remained silent?

[40:49] (D)Yeah, I think we've been disappointed.

 

(R) Yeah, and we've actually spoken to some people and Diny's quite strict with them sometimes, you know, high profile people with big influences and she's like, you know, you know the truth, you know the right thing to do, now get out there and say it and you're quite good at doing it.

(D) I get quite arsey with them.

 

(R) Yeah, a bit disappointed with the lack, yeah, definitely

(D) But I can understand it as well because people are genuinely terrified.
People are actually frightened that people who haven't taken the vaccine are going to infect them and kill them. They genuinely believe that because the media has done such
[41:24] A good Psi-op on them. They genuinely are frightened for their lives. And so they see people like us as, well, I don't know what they see it as, but you know, we are potential killers for them, which is it's just bizarre. I mean
I vaccinated my children up to a point and then I started to realize what was going on. And so
[41:45] I stopped vaccinating them. They've had a couple of the MMR separately, but not all of them. So I've been awake to this for quite a while. And I know that you've got to keep quiet about it. You don't say to people, my kid hasn't had the HPV and they haven't had all the MMRs. You just don't say that because people automatically have been trained to be frightened of you. So I wasn't surprised of the reaction, but I'm angry at a lot of the high profile celebrities who have woken up and just don't want to lose their income through this. Because people like us, we've all given up, everything we were doing. Yes, we're actually working full time for this now. So we do take an income from it, just to be clear on that. We didn't initially because we were volunteers and everyone was volunteering, but you know this is full time, we have to live. But you know, initially we'd all had to step away from careers like everyone else had because we just couldn't carry on working because of, well Rachael chose to leave it. I lost most of my work because of everything and loads of people have lost so much through all of this.

(R) And that comes back to that and that's you know about thousands of people all around the world standing up and being part of a group and being proud of the fact that they're unvaccinated.

(D) And being honest about the fact that they're not being vaccinated.

[43:12] Because I always give people a benefit of the doubt and now I'm just pissed off at people because we've all got something to lose. We're all in difficult situations. Most of us don't have a big pile of money that we can fall back on.
We do live extremely tightly. And for people to say, yeah, but you know, they're a movie star or star, they would lose a contract.
Well, what about us in our small flats, whatever, living that are struggling day to day with the kids, school runs and all that? We have something to lose as well.
I think our media and society make it that if you're famous you've got a lot to lose but if you're the little guy you've got nothing to lose but often it can be the other way round.

[43:56] (D) Yeah, absolutely and a lot of the celebrities have also taken, well we've been told that they've had the fake passports which also doesn't help the situation.
Situation. Yes, I can understand that you don't want to give up this thing that you've worked incredibly hard for. But at the end of the day, this isn't like anything that's ever happened before.

(R) And it's not only what you're going to lose now, it's looking to the future. If they realise what we're heading into, none of us can have anything.

(D) Yeah, and they don't want to look into the future. People just don't want to see, you know, this is this is now it's going to go away.
It's fine.
I can understand it. I don't like it, but I can understand it.

Closing your eyes doesn't make you away. Can we finish just last point looking, you talked about having children, I've got two kids as well, two boys. And it's interesting conversations that as a parent you have with children, especially trying to protect them from the indoctrination, they have around what's happened the last three years.
[44:59] But I think by getting the card, it's a great conversation topic with your children and then you talk to them about why this is needed and make sure they're prepared because my, worry, many parents worry, is that the parent tells the school it does not want this, but, the school thinks it knows best.
And hey, the parent will thank them anyway so they just do whatever to the child.
And that's why I think it's vital to train your children, to educate them and to prep them so they know how to respond, how to argue.
So it's not just us as parents arguing for them, but actually put in them.
And I think that part of the advice control group allows you to, I guess, teach them this so they can carry that forward.

(D) Yeah, absolutely. And on the other side of it, you can actually use the card, for example, to say, look, we're actually doing something good for society. We're not doing nothing. We're not sort of not taking this and not helping the situation. We're actually, contributing. Yeah, contributing our data so we can, you know, see which way it's going. So they are actually doing something. It's not doing nothing.

(R) Yeah, in terms of our children, they're both they're all home educated.

(D) Yeah, so Well, mine have dipped into school and out actually during the pandemic.

(R) Yeah, I literally dragged mine out of school and I quit my job.
[46:20] So, yeah, they haven't been back since, bless them. But we've got a lovely community around us and we've been, you know, muddling in and helping and teaching them between us all sorts of skills.
Yeah, I think mine thought probably I'd gone a bit crazy at the beginning because I'd completely flipped around what I was saying at home.
[46:39] And I actually took my eldest daughter to one of the first protests that was happening in London.
And it was then that she burst into tears when we got there and saw the enormity of it.
And that's when she realized that what I was saying was right.
But you do have to be careful with children and protect them.
You know, you can't tell them, you know, you don't want to scare them, do you, with what's happening?

(D) No. But then on the flip side, they're being scared to death by what they're seeing in the media.
But yeah, but actually, my eldest was at university during lockdown.
And oh my goodness me, she was in one of the universities facing the one that had the fences being pulled down, well fences put up and then pulled down.
And she actually had one of her friends commit suicide during it because of all of this.
So the whole landscape's changed for the kids and they can either be terrified of COVID and whatever comes next, or they can be terrified of what's going on around them, but supported by people looking to a positive future of trying to do things to make things better.
So we're, although, you know, it's, it's scary telling them all about this. And we do, you know, to different degrees, because they're all different ages, but they can see that we're doing something about it. And actually we're having a lot of fun doing it. It's, It's hard work what we're doing. It's sometimes heart-breaking, but we do make the most of having a laugh a lot.
[48:05] Yeah. We have a lot of fun.

 

With what we faced, you need to laugh. I know when we do our news reviews on Saturdays, we try and look at something which is funny at the end because it could become very depressing and demoralizing and you need to use humour too. And that's why the event, Derby, was great, in comedy to just laugh at everything and stop yourself getting too depressed.

(D) Yes, definitely.

It's been wonderful talking to you and I know our viewers will go and make use of the website.
Rachael and Diny, thank you for your time today.

(R&D) Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you.