Looking into the void and creating new worlds. Talking to world makers and asking them things about their worlds.

This episode gave us all the feels! We talked with the great world makers, Manyaku Mashilo and Michael Jacobs. They are both incredible artists who engage with notions of identity, archives, spiritualism and other worlds. We unpack what it means to be a world builder through a visual art practice and how the spiritual plain and physical body intersect. We talk about THAT church in Limpopo too and wealthy Black folks just living. It really was a beautiful conversation with these two beautiful humans! Have a listen and be moved.