Joe talks about his new setup, the Ofqual chief's recent comments on redeploying specialist teachers, the way in which kids see inclusion, value for money with instruments, and the Autistic School Staff Project.
Then Neill Oldham joins Joe for a discussion about winning awards, the Blackpool community, being headteacher of a special school, assistive technology, music, coping with change and uncertainty, and much more.
Then of course Joe finishes with some songs, including some by Eco Choir SOS From The Kids.