Billy talks about his dance with his mom at his 40th birthday, and a gift that came from it. Steve explains why Billy throws him off and why he thinks Billy is funny. Billy talks about a twitter conversation he had about Jan 6th. They discuss that people are willing to sacrifice, and somehow justify, something that is potentially illegal. Steve explains America, as founded by our forefathers, is guided by God, not government. They talk a little more about Trump. Steve explains we may have more "unreachable's" than we think based on a conversation with a friend. They finish with talking some of Billy's son basketball team, and the difference of paying a rec league, where everyone plays, vs school, where the best play and the goal is to win.