Episode 38: Brent Adamson on the Challenger Sale, Customer Confidence, and Growing Key Accounts

2025-05-23

Most account managers are stuck chasing satisfaction when they should be driving change. Alex Raymond is joined by Brent Adamson, the co-founder of A to B Insight and Qoos and the author of “The Challenger Sale,” for a discussion that challenges the way most teams think about account growth. If happy customers aren’t growing their accounts, what’s missing? And what does it actually take to move from retention to expansion? Brent shares research that calls out a common trap: overdelivering on service without helping clients rethink their business....

Most account managers are stuck chasing satisfaction when they should be driving change.

Alex Raymond is joined by Brent Adamson, the co-founder of A to B Insight and Qoos and the author of “The Challenger Sale,” for a discussion that challenges the way most teams think about account growth. If happy customers aren’t growing their accounts, what’s missing? And what does it actually take to move from retention to expansion?

Brent shares research that calls out a common trap: overdelivering on service without helping clients rethink their business. He introduces the idea of customer improvement: the account manager’s job isn’t to keep things running smoothly, but to show customers what’s possible when they shift their approach.

Alex and Brent also get into the confusion between customer success and account management, the pressure to grow accounts without losing them, and why confidence, specifically the client’s confidence in their own decisions, matters more than loyalty or trust.

If you’re leading key accounts or coaching teams who do, Alex and Brent’s discussion will change the way you think about long-term growth.

Episode Breakdown:

00:00 The Evolution of Account Management and Customer Success

02:52 Understanding the Roles: Retention vs. Expansion

11:11 The Importance of Customer Improvement

21:48 Driving Growth Through Insights

23:19 Navigating Account Management Challenges

26:36 Understanding Customer Improvement

29:27 Identifying Unique Strengths

32:16 The Importance of Customer Confidence

35:54 Introducing the Frame-Making Sale

46:30 Empowering Customers for Growth