Francis O’Neill - The Rise of the Yellow Boards: Waking up the Public One Message at a Time

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Today we delve into grass-roots activism, we have all seen the yellow boards pop up at road junctions across the country, joined with a cacophony of car horns in support. 
When online censorship tries to curtail the flow of information, it's time to go back to the traditional methods. Billboards. 
Francis O'Neill has become known to many of us for his high profile involvement with this new/old medium. He joins Hearts of Oak to discuss why he got involved and what the response has been from the public. The concern has moved on from forced jabs to full covid tyranny and the threat of a cashless society, with control through surveillance now the biggest threat we face to our freedom.

Connect with Francis and The Yellow Boards Movement...
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SUBSTACK:       https://francisoneill.substack.com/
LINKS:                https://heylink.me/yellow_boards/

Interview recorded 26.9.23

*Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast.

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Transcript

(Hearts of Oak)

Francis O'Neill. It is wonderful to have you with us.Thanks so much for giving us your time today.

(Francis O’Neill)

Thank you, Peter. Thanks for having me. 

Great. And obviously, wanted you on, seen many of the videos, pictures, the whole thing with yellow boards, trying to get a different narrative, I guess, to what the mainstream put out.
But people can find you.
There is your Twitter handle @FrancisXONeill. Also, the sub stack, the links are in the description and they're also on your Twitter page.
Francis, maybe before we get into what's been happening, how you've been getting a message out, the response from the public, what are the issues which have become a freedom encompasses a lot and it's become much wider than anti-Covid tyranny.
Do you just want to maybe introduce yourselves, because we have probably two-thirds US audience actually now, and they may not be aware of who you are.
Do that first and then we'll jump onto the yellow boards.

Well, I'm actually a self-employed artist and I was teaching just life drawing and portrait painting.
I was living in Oxford and making a living doing that. I was teaching from a studio, which I rented as part of a complex with other artists.
And that's how I was getting by. I was doing jobs, sometimes teaching in other locations, but I'd become aware that things weren't as presented in the mainstream media due to 9-11.
I had questions on the day, but I wasn't really woken up on the day.
I just thought that would be resolved by investigations and so on.
But as you know, with the prevalence of the internet, I mean, you start to become aware that there are alternative theories out there.
I started to look into that quite deeply. And once I became aware that the official story of 9-11 was not true, I started to question other aspects of our society, our history, the way we were being told things, the way information was being presented to us.
And you start to question the sources.
And so I became, I underwent the process that a lot of people have gone on since 2020. I underwent it probably around from 2003 onwards. And so when 2020 came, I was already aware that this wasn't going to be true. This was another ruse. This was another means of control. It was part of a larger agenda, which we now know is called Agenda 2030, or it's the World Economic Forum calls it The Great Reset, it is a means of removing our wealth and our, sovereignty to control us.
From the very beginning in 2020, I thought something needs to be done about this.
I also felt a sense of guilt that the 9-11 truth movement, which I had been a part of, had not done enough.
I remember the first day, I was waiting for people to arrive for my class and they did not come.
This was before the lockdown, a few days before it was officially announced.
I thought, oh my gosh, they are all falling for it, we haven't done enough, I was in a classroom and there was nobody here.
I was waiting for people to turn up.
I thought this is going to be bad. I had a sense of dread and worry on that day.
I was thinking they were really falling for it. I started to be very active very quickly.
I emailed everybody I knew on my mailing list for my classes.
Everybody, my peers who shared the studios with me.
I made my position known, which may have been a mistake professionally and it cost me later because people thought you were spreading the plague, they knew you weren't going to be compliant and so I lost, I was actually forced out of the studio mid-2021 because I wasn't complying with any regulations. But I also got out on the street within about a month. I started making videos, I was making posts routinely anyway about the truth movement. But I'd say it was about April, we started to be, I started to do the first outreach in the streets. I started making videos more to wake up my friends and family and they did actually work, I did get through to my family, they didn't actually, I never like to speak about what they didn't do, but you know what, there was an element of success there, I felt.
And so, but in short, I became active.
I eventually left Oxford because I'd lost my place of work, which was where I was making my income from I lost that studio because I was forced out in 2021.
So I ended up in London in 2022, and I became attached to the Yellow Boards, which is what you were referencing there.
And this group, the yellow boards, actually I saw first happening in New Zealand.
There was a group of people along a street, a video went round, probably around 2021, late 2021, of people questioning the vaccines and they had yellow boards with slogans on them, like every 50 yards along a stretch of road.
And the questions would develop as the driver went past and someone had filmed it from a car.
Now this took on in England and also with the rebels, we have a thing called rebels in roundabouts, which started in Stockport.
One of the guys there actually said that he'd seen my videos from Oxford and it had helped sort of
inspire or encourage him to get out and do that sort of thing. One of the guys who set up the Rebels and Roundabouts. But Yellow Boards is not my invention, it's something that I've, got involved with that was already ongoing by the time I arrived in London in 2022 and so what's happened is sort of, I'm not really an organiser or a maker of flyers and boards and things like like that. So there are very hardworking people who do this.
And I seem to be the one who, like an unofficial spokesperson, I'll speak to the camera and I'll speak to people. If someone comes to ask a couple of questions, they'll say, go and speak to him.
They'll talk to you. And so that's my role. I just talk to people and present the information as best I can.

So your name keeps coming up. Francis O'Neill, you know, yellow boards. Oh, yes.
So I want to, there are a couple of things I want to pick up on that, But let me just play some of the clips from around London, just to give the viewers and listeners an idea of what happens in case they have not seen it.
So let me just, the first one is, the first one, actually, is Shepherds Bush, I think.
Let me see. First one, Shepherds Bush, which I know very well, just around the corner in West London.
Let me just play this little clip. And then there are two others from London.

(cars beeping in support of yellow boards)

So that was Shepherd. Let me do just another one up in Harrow. Shepherd Bush is West London.
Harrow is kind of North West and it's the same thing and I want to ask you about kind of that response.
You obviously hear the horns beeping on the cars, but here is North West London and Harrow.

(Music and cars beeping in support of the yellow boards)

We could go on, let me, we could show a lot of them. Can I ask you, when you went out, what were you expecting?
We are, many people watching, they'll be engaged in trying to change opinion of those around them.
You jump out and do something in the wide world with the public.
Tell us about kind of the response you've got and obviously we hear the horns beeping.
Is that a regular occurrence?

When I first started going out in Oxford in 2020, the response was different.
We are talking about lockdowns and people were very hostile.
Oxford is like an academic town and has a lot of the research facilities like the Jenner Institute.
With regard to that, initially it was very hostile but there were people who were very grateful.
Thank God there is somebody who is out there on the street.
I felt all alone and I didn't realise other people thought like me.
You tend to get a range of those emotions.

And we do different subjects obviously, so in London with the yellow boards, the ULEZ , obviously with car drivers, is almost universally unpopular.
It is restricting car movement and so on. I think it is also serving to waken people up to the wider problems and agendas I mentioned earlier.
With the ULEZ, when we put ULEZ boards up, you tend to get a good response.
The good thing about it is, not there are some people who will disagree and they may drive cars because they still think it's in their best interest to have less pollution or whatever the tagline is it seems to vary which I think is very strange as well sometimes it's about an environmental emergency and sometimes it's about children with asthma and obviously it could be about both in theory if it's about clean air, but it's not about clean air because actually if you test the air in London in most places it's very very clean and where they do have hot spots they're not doing anything particular to to solve the pollution in those areas and also on the tube it's up to it's, different studies have said different things like it's 40 times dirtier and people tested maybe have made it higher in terms of the contaminants in the air on the tube so they don't do anything about the air on the tube which is where they're trying to push everybody to go into the public transport but they're concerned about the air where it's actually well within safety standards above ground. And I think people are wise to that. I think people in the cars, they've cottoned on to the fact that this isn't true. So when we go out now, particularly, and it has increased over the time I've been involved, and also obviously since the time it started, but as I say, I can speak from my experience from, 2022, probably mid-2022 in London, even the ULEZ, now it's deafening. You go out there, You get constant car horns.
We are not always filming. Sometimes you miss the bits where it is ridiculous, the noise and the cacophony of cars going past.
It depends on the location. Sometimes you go to a location that is more muted.
And you get more conflicts of opinions where people think that...
It is usually people...
We are always a bit wary of the cyclists because they sometimes hurl abuse at you.
You often get people going past on the bikes as well, tinkling bells going, as in because they don't have a horn obviously on the bicycle so they'll show their support tinkling the bell so so you just can never be sure who's going to say what to you, but the pedestrians...
Can be interesting and say things to you. And then you get into dialogue.
And sometimes people in the cars will say things like, or like they'll say you're crazy, or I had a guy waving his asthma inhaler at me today. You don't care about me.
And I'm saying, well, it's not about air. And I try to explain the things I've just mentioned about how the air is worse on the tube.
And when you test the air, it's fine. And it's about control.
And I try and make them aware of that.
But we all try to be as non-confrontational as possible, but sometimes we get told we're killing children, which is ironic if you actually look at what's going on in the world at the moment.
So we're the ones killing children. So yeah, so mixed responses, but overwhelmingly positive about the ULEZ.
And I'd actually say we went to the COVID inquiry and we, when Abi Roberts got arrested.
And I was surprised given the varied reactions we'd had to COVID lockdown and vaccination outreach that we'd done before, the overwhelming- 

Tell us about it, because obviously it started, all of this has started in a pushback towards restrictions under the COVID tyranny.
And I know you were there, I know Abi was arrested. We had her on just after, and her talking about how you were waiting outside, waiting for her.
And I think you realize who your friends are in situations like that, when you get arrested.
Where's everyone gone?
Oh, they've gone home, and you waited outside. And that camaraderie, that connection, that networking, that standing shoulder to shoulder has been something that I've seen turning develop over the last three years.

I met Abi at one of the marches in London where they have these worldwide rallies for freedom and Abi is a regular at those and I had a mutual friend and said, Abi is going you need to say hello to her.
So I said hello to her and you never know if you're going to hit it off with people or whatever.
Abi and I were interviewed by somebody came up and interviewed us and we just had like a sort of rapport and it was funny, we were making a bit of a joke with the interviewer and things like this.
And so we hit it off and we had a nice conversation and then stayed in touch and just said, like, I'm going down to the COVID inquiry.
And I knew that she'd be interested because Matt Hancock, who was our health secretary during the lockdown, was gonna be there that day. And she said, okay, I'll come down.
And so she came down to hold a yellow board and make her presence and her opinions known.
And she only lasted half an hour. 

I understand what you mean when you say Abi making her opinions known, it's beautiful.

She wasn't actually that bad, I mean I know that she's very, as in from the police or the establishment perspective, she wasn't that bad, it was just kind of hilarious that she probably lasted about 23 minutes and we had a half-past eight in the morning or something like this in there.
And anyway, so she, we walked behind a camera with the yellow board, and we'd been told not to encroach on this space where the camera's filmed.
The previous time we'd been at the COVID inquiry, which was about a week before, a few days before.
And Abi hadn't been there, so she didn't know, so she just marched in behind and held a board behind one of the reporter's heads. And actually it was a station that she'd previously worked for, the GB News one.
So I followed her in and put a board up there and just thought we'll stay here until they move us on.
And we did it with Sky TV as well. And then, uh...
And she said a few things to the ranks of cameramen and photographers.
What have you all been doing? Why are you not reporting anything?
And she might have used the F word a couple of times, but nothing too severe, nothing they hadn't heard.
And then this guy came out and she's told the story anyway.
But yeah, it's on film, you can see. So when she started, when they came to arrest her, I just thought I need to keep my mouth shut because I'll speak over the dialogue and I'll just film it and get a really good footage of it.
But then I didn't know whether to put the footage out in case they didn't have any incriminating evidence against her. So I had to sit on the footage until she was released. And then she, there was one moment where I thought the police reacted, I haven't mentioned this before, so in the footage you can see the police, one guy's already told her she's arrested and the others are trying to reason with her, so it didn't really make sense, and they seem to be trying to calm her down and she was saying, do you see this? And she showed one of the badges that she wears for Trudy and whose son committed suicide during lockdown and she was saying, you know, and they, the police, in my first impression of it seemed to recoil at that point.
And I thought, oh, wow, that was powerful.
Like I was filming it and then, and they seemed to, but when I watched the footage back, I think what actually happened though, he thought was, we can't reason with this woman.
They gave up trying to like mollify her and settle it down and stuff.
That, cause I thought at first it was the power cause that's what it affected me.
And I thought, oh wow, that's got to have an effect.
But actually I don't think that's what happened. I just thought that she's, we're going to have to, but they'd already arrested her. So, and then they arrested her and they took her away.
And I felt a bit, because I'd invited her down, kind of knowing that she'd provide a bit of fireworks, right?
So I felt a bit like, what's the guy? Fagin or something, getting her into trouble.
And then she was in the cell. So I felt kind of a responsibility as well.
And also thought that if I was in the cell and everyone just went home, I'd come out thinking that's not very nice.
So I went down to wait. And also she told me it's only going to be a couple of hours because she'd been given that suggestion.
And then as I started to wait and it started to get into the evening, she'd been there 12 hours, the police started to say to me, listen, mate, you're going to have a long wait.
And they'd obviously changed the way in which they were going to process her because instead of it just being a basic, you know, you've done a minor misdemeanor, let's get you in and out.
They just decided to be awkward and hold her in and charge her in a different way.
And they let her out at three in the morning just to be, I think, just to make it unpleasant and uncomfortable for her.
So the police became aware of this and rather kindly actually said to me, like, you'll be waiting a long time mate, you should probably go home, she's not going to be let out till the morning. So I had to go and that's what happened.

Obviously the whole COVID, well COVID whitewash, not inquiry, but tell us how, because whenever you've been out with boards, it's one thing going with those big demos, where it's that spirit of togetherness and everyone is 100% awake, where you go out on the streets, you kind of expect it to be it to be different. I'm sure going to those demos, I'm sure you've got a lot of pat on the backs and a lot of kind of well done and realizing that people appreciate how you're putting the message out. 

Well on the bigger demos, you're amongst a lot of people so there's the strength in numbers and as you say that you can have a chat with people who think the same as you, you still get some people even on the bigger ones if you're on the edges on the peripheries of a group of people marching down a street where people will pull faces or say get lost or shout some abuse at you. You occasionally get that, not normally though because of the numbers because they're slightly intimidated by the numbers. People tend to keep their opinions to themselves when they see thousands of people marching down.
You are a little bit more exposed if you go out with a board but generally speaking it's okay.
I mean, one of the, connected with the Yellow Boards, I should say, in Stockport, a thing called Rebels on Roundabouts started up at one of the roundabouts in Stockport near Manchester in the north of England.
And I went down there a few times, because that's where I'm originally from.
And we had eggs thrown at us from a passing car and things like that.
And that occasionally happens.
But to be honest, most of the time, I don't feel like I'm under threat.
I know that sometimes people say nasty things to you and that might, other people might bother them more.
I don't really, it doesn't really faze me, I don't think, I don't think it really fazes the people who do it.
If people, a lot of the time people are not very brave when they confront you, for example, people will sit there in the car at the lights and when the lights change they'll shout something just as they're going, or the same with a cyclist, so, or if they're passing at speed, so sometimes it's quite funny when they say something to you and then the lights change and they have to stop and then they they sit there like that, or me, cause you can come and say something back then.
So yeah, there's not, I don't know. It's not something that concerns me really.
Like I think you are going to get people who disagree with you.
And I would say my goal and the goal of people there is not to have a confrontation.
So if somebody's, sometimes you get people really angry saying you're killing children, you know, it's disgusting.
And because we say with ULEZ, they see that as saving children with asthma.
Or that's what they've been primed to think.
And we say, well, can you explain that? Like, or just, I just try and, or if someone's so in such a heightened state, I just let them carry on walking, or if I can, I'll try and reason with them and bring them down because I learned very quickly, that in 2020, if you go out there, if I go out there and I'm angry, which I was initially in 2020, and start shouting and raving.
It's not gonna get anyone on your side.
And that's the goal, really. So for the most part, we're there to have reasoned discussion and to share our views and to make people at the very, even if we can't change their minds, obviously, and sometimes you can't do that instantly, is just to make people think, realize that we're not crazy, that we are coming from a reasoned position.
And I think that's very important. So we're not, because obviously, they'll say to you, you're a right wing conspiracy theorist, or Sadiq Khan said it.
He said, like, you're COVID deniers, vaccine deniers, Tories, all this stuff, like, all the things could think of to say that might be words to lodge in people's brains but the interesting I think I've got a line that I always think of that people, everybody thinks that it's everybody else who falls for propaganda and that includes me so I'll think like oh someone else has fallen, has been brainwashed by the state propaganda but they'll think of me I've fallen for right wing propaganda it's always everybody else who falls for propaganda.
It's never me or you know the person thinking so I think that if you can make people aware that there is a different way of looking at things and at least consider it even if you reject it. I think that's a that's all we can do with the yellow boards is to make that we're trying to circumvent mainstream, no mainstream media has censored our point of view so we're trying to find a route to introduce that other point of view in a respectable way to the public. 

Yeah it is about making people think and not having that argument because that doesn't actually benefit you. But what about you because I mean it's like a political campaign, I mean I remember back in the days of UKIP, knocking doors, flyers, non-stop and it's about getting the message out and you'd see billboards about different political parties and what you're doing, it's kind of getting the message out, it's PR but it's kind of that field. I mean, how did you, are you, have you been involved politically? Are you a massively outgoing person?
Because people think I wouldn't want to stand on a road junction with a huge sign. I mean, people want to keep their thoughts to themselves, not to display it to the world. What was that like. Did you have anything politically background that you had engaged a lot with people on different issues?

Not all and I as I say, I started online with the 9-11 truth movement and I used to feel like an imperative. So once you become aware that that say for example, there's a great injustice going on like the war in Iraq or Afghanistan. The removal of our freedoms as well, even if you want to be selfish about it with the in the United States it was the Patriot Act and here we had the terrorism act and you could see the trajectory of of the state machinations then you think well if I do nothing that's going to continue and this isn't going to end well even from a selfish point it's not going to end well for me but I also felt like if I was in Iraq or Afghanistan or any of the other countries affected by the 9-11 wars which have been raging for 20 years so it's like northern Pakistan there's places in Africa and every that being bombed and so and also you've got Syria, Libya, Yemen all these places that have been affected I thought well I'd want someone to at least make a few memes on my behalf in the country.
So that's what I used to do. I used to try and make posts and raise awareness and use the internet as many of us are now doing since 2020.
So that's what I saw as something that I could contribute. And also I saw myself as being someone who could translate some of the dense material into the language or into the format, like a meme that people would engage with.
So I'm not like an academic or a scientist or anything like that.
I can read that stuff and think what is the kernel of truth we need to pass on and put that into that format.
That is what I thought I could contribute to that movement.
In 2020 I tried to do the same thing. That would be the role that I was trying to fulfil.
So in terms of getting in the street and presenting that thing, I also think I have done a bit of teaching with the art I was talking about.
So you get used to presenting information in front of people and being questioned and you know I've taught in front of kids, I've on in front of pensioners and so I'm not that uncomfortable speaking if I feel like I'm informed, in front of people.
So there's that side of it. So maybe I was prepared to do a bit of that.
But even if we're just holding a board, I think that was, I read, I think, around 2020 about if you're doing a revolutionary movement, you have to have something that other people can do.
So like when we were doing the gazebo, one of the mistakes we probably made is that we would speak to and challenge the police and argue with the police and argue with the public.
But not everybody feels that they want to do that. Nobody wants a confrontation really in their life.
If you can go through your morning without arguing with the police, you'll probably take that, right? So that's not something that everybody can do and engage what wants to do.
But if you do it much simpler, it's more passive. It's just like, you can use a yellow board.
Everybody can pretend to be a signpost for a couple of hours, right?
Everyone can just be like, oh yeah, I'm just holding this in the street.
And it's a more passive way. And the cars are going past. Usually you can stand in a place where the cars aren't gonna stop and they're just whizzed by you and they'll just read your placard.
And then you don't actually have to have an argument or a fight, you can just say, there's my board.
So it's something that everybody can do is hold a board.
You don't have to have read the scientific papers. You don't have to have, you know, you're not like you're arguing with Dr. Fauci or Matt Hancock or something.
You can just hold the board and say, where's my freedom going or something.
So there's that side of it. And that's something that everyone can do.
It's easily replicable. And so you can do that. So the yellow boards have been sprouting up.
And I think that's the key. got to give something that everybody can do. So it's that kind of thing. It's just making sure that we get the message out, that's the key thing. And it's not about really presenting to an audience, like in the sense of verbally.

And something I've certainly seen is nothing is from the top. I think that's why the police, government, the media are so concerned about free thinking because it's a grassroots thing. You see the yellow boards popping up everywhere, some are organized and some are not and you see the change but I'm intrigued with how people came together on the issue of, against COVID here and the issue of freedom but then you realize that encompasses so much and let me actually, let me play one of the videos of you speaking on, is this the use cash one or is this ULEZ? Let me play it and then we can touch on kind of those other issues which have come up and I think as people have thought more about issues over the last three years they're more open to this but let me play this first one. 

(Video of Francis plays)

Okay we're here today at Harrow Road and if we take things in reverse and just look at things slightly differently and wonder if there was, in the hypothetical situation, that there was a plan or an agenda to deprive us of our freedoms and to change the way we live.
What would it look like and how would they encourage us to consent to it? So, if they can't do it by force because maybe there's a smaller number, they would have to get us to believe that it was for our own good and in our best interest. So, they might then tell us, I don't know, like the end of the world's coming unless you all do what we say, like, you know, like the sky is going to fall on your head or something along those lines.
And then they might start to say, what we need for you to do is to use less resources and maybe, Maybe not have a car, maybe lock yourself in your home, maybe we'll bring about some measures so that all independent traders lose their small businesses, so that then you're in the sort of grasp of the state, whether it's because you're on the dole, on a universal credit or whether you're working for corporations which seem to have a lot of control in our country at the moment.
So, with that in mind then, people often ask me what it is that they should do, like when, we talk to them about the ULEZ, they say, what should we do about it?
Now, what guys say to me with their vans, they say, I'm losing my van, I'm going to have to give up my van and because I've not got my van, I won't be able to work, in which, case I'd be in that situation I've just described.
So that's a real problem. So, if you then think about it, there's a guy called Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who ended up in a labour camp in Russia, and old Alexander said, I wish we'd have got out there quicker when they first came to us with iron bars and pots and pans and done something about it.
Now, I'm not suggesting you do that, but if you're going to lose your van anyway, and you're going to lose your job anyway, and be in state control, what other options have you got?
Some people are using the options of taking down the cameras, and some people are not paying the fines. In fact, millions of pounds apparently are unpaid.
Now, if everybody who beeps the horn, as you hear there, did not pay and refused to pay, this scheme would not work and we have to consider that if we're all going to lose everything anyway.

I think that's a good point, how people respond. That is on ULEZ, which is obviously the ultra low emission zone, which is in London and attacking the motorist. I think I saw a meme somewhere that someone said, we're told that cars, your older vehicle is going to kill children, but if you pay $12.50 it's okay, the child is saved. It's not about money. But tell us about, because there's been massive support for, against the ULEZ with people cutting down cameras. I didn't think I would see that in Britain, that level of opposition and anger and law breaking.
I thought, wow, something's broken in the spirit. It's not just the British shrugging their shoulders, which we think we saw in lockdown, but actually people are doing something. I mean, tell us about that in the response and how you see that push back on the attack on the motorists.

Okay, so I want to just say something that I should have said in response to your last question, but I forgot, but you're asking me about the yellow boards and what we're doing that is that what we're trying to do with the yellow boards is do what the government did to us from 2020 onwards. So they put signs everywhere, they put arrows on the floor, they put everywhere you went.
So we're trying to make it, they made it ubiquitous. It was just everywhere, like the lockdown was everywhere, you were on a bus, it was on the radio, it was on a screen, it was on a post, everything, public transport, shops, everywhere. You couldn't escape it. If you engaged in life outside your house or even inside your house through the screen, you were made aware that it was this virus and this lockdown and all this stuff and that's what you were supposed to believe.
So we have to use that sort of tactic against them and make it feel like, and also what they did is they made everybody feel like everybody believed the same thing. So with the yellow boards, what we're doing is we're presenting a constant stream of, like if you're driving past, you'll see not just one, you'll see 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 yellow boards with these messages and repetitive messages and you'll hear the horns which make you think if you don't agree with us why do all these other people agree? Why are all these horns going off? So it makes you feel like you're the minority which is the reverse of what happened in 2020 when you thought you were the minority if you if you didn't believe the government. So we're using the same sort of tactics there. And so there's that side of it. And also, I think what I'm suggesting in that video is that if you can get someone to blow their horn, then that's an act of defiance, like it's just a little act of defiance. But that's how they got you. First of all, it was like, just three weeks to flatten the curve.
Just three weeks, okay, or two weeks in the States. And then it's like, okay, just another three weeks, just a mask. So we're starting off with, just blow your horn.
Right? And then if you can hear everyone blowing the horn, then you can think, okay, what's the next step then? Okay, maybe everyone agrees with me, everyone else is blowing the horn, so like, then maybe, maybe, then they take the next act of defiance. Now, we can't volunteer that and suggest that people do that because on video or anything else like that, because it's illegal to encourage people to break the law. All we can do is point to the options, right?
And so the response there that you're seeing about the defiance in London, people cutting down the cameras. There are some of us who know, some people say we think we know, but we have read the agenda and it is documented, what this plan is.
As you said, it is not about money, they print the money anyway, they can print all the money they want.
These people are not short of money, they are not short of control in a way.
They are trying to change the nature of humanity, they are trying to control us to, the point where they make us into drones that service the elite class who still fly about, use private planes and cars and whatever else they want and have the dominion over the countryside while we live in smart cities and are boxed in like little rabbit hutches.
So if you know that, then as I pointed out there, then you take the Solzhenitsyn idea of grabbing your iron poker or your pots and pans and beating them off in whatever way possible.
So if you're still in a system where there is a police force and you can get locked in jail, so what are the small acts of defiance you can do? you can not pay your fine and you can spread crazy foam, you can spray crazy foam over the ULEZ camera.
So if you actually know that you're going to lose everything, then spraying foam over a camera is not that big a rebellion.
And I think the people who know are taking down the cameras.
You know, they realize this is a pivotal moment. This is a bridge that we cannot cross.
And so that is why you're seeing that. And whilst it's unusual for the British be so rebellious. We don't really have a history of revolution.
If you understand what is happening, this is the time to stand up if there's ever been a time. So that is why the cameras are coming down. Now, not everybody is at that level, and which the people who are know something is not right, they know they can't afford it. And the people in the vans are saying I'm being crushed. And I can't, there's people just drive and say, I won't be able to visit my mom, like I need to get them in the car, or she needs a lift or whatever it is.
And there's people who are losing their businesses, because they rely on their van for the business to take all their tools to work and so on. So they know they're losing something. So if we can just nudge them along to, you know, a nudge as in the nudge unit, if we can use that same psychological nudging, you're not alone. Loads of people agree with you. You can be defiant. You can stand up. There's solidarity and it's quite fun to blow your horn and hear the mad noise and it's like it's a kind of, it's a little act of freedom. It's kind of weird because most of the time you you drive your car, you have to obey the code of the road, and you have to be, there's speed restrictions which are coming down all the time to lower and lower speeds.
And you are, you know, you don't get this, most people are not in a position where they can just rant and rave at work or at home and support, just you can whack your horn, it's a little moment of freedom, and that feels good.
Okay, well, maybe I'll try, and there's loads of it. So we're just trying to get people to recognise the numbers and the strengths, and they have the power.
And it might not be as, maybe I'm talking that up a little bit, but I think that somebody has to take some steps somewhere and the more rebellious are taking down the cameras and the less rebellious are blowing the horns and we're hoping they can meet in the middle and just throw the whole thing out.

I love that a one-pound thing of silly string or shaving foam can shut down a network of cameras that cost billions.
It's beautiful to see that.
I think, obviously, whenever you've got a system set up there for taking pictures of cars, automatic number plate recognition, and then that's fed in, that then is a whole surveillance system that is set up.
And I think that some people realize that can be used and repurposed for anything but many people don't and you're told oh it just takes a picture and then it disappears and no it's part of a gathering of information on all of us. Do you think people realize that and are wakening up to that? 

Yeah I think the harder they push and the more extreme and illogical the measures seem to people, more people look for the reasons behind them.
More and more often now, if there is a line of cars and you speak to someone and they say it is madness, he is an idiot, Khan, the mayor of London, they will say he is an idiot. It is not just him though, they're like, yeah I know. Its a bigger thing.
They know it is a bigger picture.
They have to look at the motive for why it is happening. It doesn't make sense to people.
Why would they be crushing us in this way?
People tend to understand it is not just about money. and they can also see it.
I mean, the surveillance is everywhere. In Britain, we have in the supermarkets, they film your face.
So it's, and if you ask, you say, oh, it's about shoplifting, but they're not filming your bag or your hands, they're filming your face.
And there's, you know, there's, and to do, interact with, you know, buying tickets or anything like that, you have to give your details and, or to get into your bank account, you need a phone and a laptop or two devices, one to verify the other.
So people can see the surveillance state coming in and people can see cash being phased out.
So I think people have an awareness that there's something bigger than just they're trying to clean the air for kids with asthma, these guys who don't care about the excess deaths or that nobody makes a peep about wars that kill and displace millions, but they really care about your granny and they really care about the kids with asthma down the street. And also I think to some extent, obviously I don't know enough people to know, but my experience at the COVID inquiry when people responded very positively to our questioning of the COVID vaccines and made me think that the vaccines have woken people up because I think some people will, many people know people who have not had the same health since they took the vaccine. So there's a whole variety of things that are coming together where people think maybe that wasn't quite right that lockdown business and maybe those vaccines weren't quite right and maybe this ULEZ isn't quite right and maybe the phasing out of cash is not quite right and maybe there's a link between them all. So I think that people are coming around to that idea for sure. 

Let me just finish off on that cash issue, because here's another clip.
We'll play a two minute clip and just finish off just touching on that and the response from people.
Because I think a lot of these issues, people maybe can feel that it's too big, it's beyond them.
But what you're showing, I think, is each individual can play a part and it's that individuals come together as a mass movement, actually changing things. But let me just play this two minute clip and then we'll finish off just chatting over that.

(Video of Francis plays)

Okay, today we're here in Hampstead and we've just been giving out a few flyers and raising awareness about the dangers of a cashless economy. I had one woman come up to me and she was asking me about how, what's the point, what's the big deal about it, what's the problem with it, because you know carrying cash is a pain and using card is very convenient.
And there is like a Benjamin Franklin quote about foregoing a little bit of liberty for safety, but in our generation we seem to be foregoing liberty for convenience almost. The other day
when I was out doing, we were talking about ULEZ, people were saying to me about surveillance.
They were saying, oh yeah, well, there's already surveillance everywhere. What difference does it make? And I would make the point to them that the surveillance that I have now, although in Britain we have more cameras per head of population than anywhere except China, is a lot. We have a lot of surveillance. But for the most part, the expense they were talking about was like your mobile phone, reading your emails, tracking you everywhere you go.
You can put your mobile phone in the bin, but if you start to have like a smart TV monitor your house, you've got smart car which monitors how you travel and then when you step outside you have surveillance at every zone that they put in for the ULEZ and you then they can control whether or not you spend your money and already in this country you've had people's finances stopped for them saying the wrong things that starts to be a problem and I'm starting to realise a little bit I think that people don't actually know what freedom is or how to defend it I mean they're, talking like for example when we had the vaccines people say no you're still free to get the job but you just have to get the vaccine and they're saying you're still free to go where you want but you just have to you know pay a fine or change your car. These are erosions of freedoms, essential freedoms that we've had for a long time that people don't seem to even understand that what is happening while it's happening around them and there's almost like a complacency. You certainly feel it in some areas where people like maybe smirk at you for carrying a board like this or for talking to them about these kind of subjects that they just don't see the trajectory or the
[40:54] fact that once these measures are in place it will be too late to contest them.
If they don't go the way they want them to, if suddenly it's their money that's getting stopped, it's only their movements that's getting curtailed. And I think that's something very important that people should consider. But in this country, and I think in the West in general, people feel that their freedom is guaranteed for some reason.

I think the thing is that, yeah, most people living in the West haven't lived under a communist system and therefore don't understand freedom as being straight. But that looked like a sunnier day in London. But on that, let's just finish off with this because a lot of these things are an act of change of thinking. We're lulled into something often because it is easier, it is simpler, it makes your life easier. So why you have to go and get cash when you can just touch your phone, soon touch your palm, soon you just walk in and it scans you. But it is people thinking actually intentionally how to push back but how kind of what has been the response from people as you've talked to them and highlighted actually maybe something that people have forgotten that actually it's just easier to have a card or a phone actually you really do need to use cash because as you said if you don't use it it'll be gone. 

Well cash is a much more neutral issue for people than say what we talk about lockdown vaccines or ULEZ because the climate agenda and the vaccine or lockdown agendas are firmly lodged.
People tend to have a preconceived idea before you reach them.
But the cash idea, they're just going to think, well, I've not heard much about that.
And then, or they'll say, why do you think that? Or the people who've already onto it, who find it difficult to make their transactions through life using online processes.
So yeah, the cash is more neutral and people seem to be more willing to listen to you about that because they're curious or because they hadn't really thought about it.
Because it is convenient not to have coins. And if we had a benevolent system and a benevolent government, you know, maybe I'd have no problem with it if you could trust the system. But the fact is that we live in a world where every potential misuse has to be factored in and the government will misuse it to the or somebody at some point will misuse it to the extent to which it's it's possible to misuse it and and that will be to our detriment if we don't have the freedom to spend our cash but I also wanted to say in terms of you mentioned the cameras before on on the ULEZ, introducing the surveillance.
That that monitoring that is being brought in. I see a potential threat because you said that we've not had an experience of communism or totalitarianism in this country, but we had it the past three years. I mean, in the Derbyshire Hills, they had drones following people around who were going for a walk on their own, and ordering them home or giving them some kind of police notice for walking in the hills in the countryside. So if you bring in cameras that that can surveil your movement, that those can be, again, misused to the extent to which the state has the potential to misuse them.
So if you link all, as I said before, if these things are all linked together, and World Health Organization has a treaty coming in, in which it can override national governments and say if there's the potential for a health emergency, they can impose measures like we've had before, like the quarantines, lockdowns, testing, tracking, tracing, the potential, not the reality of it, just a potential for a health crisis, then you have these zones that are surveilled.
If we saw the technology that they had with drones that they use for people in the countryside, if they've got the technology to shut down zones, we already know in this country that they shut down what they call tiers.
No, they shut down areas into what they call tiers.
Then what would stop them from shutting down an area where they said, oh, this area's had an outbreak because the PCR test, which is not fit for purpose, said that one person, two people had a nosebleed already had a, you know, a cold, they could use the surveillance to shut that down.
So I think that the experience of totalitarianism over the past three years has made people more alive, to the fact that these powers can be misused.
So when we go out and sort of speak about these things like ULEZ or cash, and you say to them, you might need your freedom sometime, you know, you might need to be able to get into that shopping centre.
I mean, in some of the shops, they started to use the one-way arrows on the floor, and some of them had doors with traffic lights on them. So you could go in this door and not this door.
It's only one step away from locking you out if they see you as a plague carrying vermin, which is kind of the way they characterize you anyway, because both these schemes, the COVID scheme and the ULEZ scheme, characterized, first of all, they make the air out to be poisoned, as in it's dangerous for you to breathe the air, whether it's ULEZ with cars, and both of them, the people, The agent poisoning the air is the human being.
So you are the vermin that is the blight upon the earth and essentially when they say they need to stop the spread, they're talking about people, they need to stop the spread of people, we need to stop them driving around, we need to stay in their homes, we need to stay in the smart cities and all these things. Now people might not have it crystallized in that way in their head but they're aware that something happened over the past three years that was a bit weird and they're aware that they would, that they will remember that it wasn't nice to be locked in their homes or, or prevented from going to shops and supermarkets and nightclubs and pubs and clubs and doing all the normal pleasures of life.
So if you start to say to them, the cash could be used in a way, or sorry, the absence of cash could be used in a way to control your purchases or your movements.
And would you, I say to them a simple question as well, would you like it if I had control over how you spent your money?
Or any other person, like an abusive husband or a wife or a father or whatever, just some third party could say whether or not you spend your money or where and when you spend your money.
They can connect with that. They don't want a third party involved with their money.
Some people think you're mad, obviously there's still always that range of opinions, but I think that's something that people can very easily identify with.
And it's not laden with the same belief system that like belief in the global warming is or in the magic cold that didn't exist for some protests.
And did for others or that kind of thing. So it's not laden with that kind of propaganda onslaught.
You can just say to them, there's something, cash is your freedom, you need to have control over how you spend your money and they'll go, all right, I hadn't thought of that.

Francis, I appreciate you coming on and it's a whole range of issues which have sprung up, COVID tyranny, cash, ULEZ, net zero surveillance, huge issues but love what you do with the yellow boards and I've be looking forward to getting you on. I love having people on who I don't know, I don't never met before and have them on chat so thanks so much for coming on today and sharing what you're doing with the yellow boards.

Thank you for having me, Peter. It's been a pleasure.