153: with Lukas Hanson, UO journalism student

Lukas Hanson is a journalism student at the University of Oregon. He reached out to interview me for a class project, so we turned it into a mutual interview podcast. We chat about model leadership, Presidents doing bribery, hip-hop as poetry, moving from Canada to Oregon, and learning history beyond monolithic leaders.

The discussion is on video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9PYCFVot0.