In this conversation with Sue and Brandon, Matthew Norris, Head of Real Estate Securities and adviser to the VT Gravis Digital Infrastructure Income and VT Gravis UK Listed Property strategies at Gravis, drills down into exactly how it’s changed, into why it’s no longer about offices and shopping centres. As he explains, it’s now all about next generation property, about REITs and how the fourth industrial revolution is changing the way we work, live and play.