A Phone Chat with Vanja Palmers

Hans Vanja Palmers is a Zen teacher who was at the SFZC centers for years, ordained by Richard Baker, transmission from Kobun Chino. He talks about his life, Zen story, work with animal rights, and psychedelics, and dangerous flying. He has a center in the Alps near Lucerne and another in the mountains of Austria. After a tangent filled introduction by DC, Vanja comes in at 21:25